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Old 04-16-2014, 08:09 PM
 
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I believe that one extreme breeds another, years of ultra right wing governments have given rise to these leftist movements in Latin America, there is very little middle ground. That is starting to change but it is taking way to long.
I think Brazil is the only country in Latin America that has some form of moderate leftist governance. DUlma Rousef seems to be trying to model Brazil after western Europe. Good on her, we have been shown that IMF "shock therapy" has disastrous consequences that delay a country's development for many years after its implementation.
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Old 04-16-2014, 08:12 PM
 
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Read up on the exploitation of Latin America, the manipulation of elections and implementation of puppet dictators and you will see why people sympathize left leaning ideals. Read up on how Mexico has historically been the U.S best pupil and a yes man

Yet some narrow minded people believe the failure of Latin America is because of their culture and the way they are. And that Mexico and Mexicans sole purpose is to run the U.S into the ground.

Unbelievable

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Old 04-16-2014, 08:16 PM
 
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Read up on the exploitation of Latin America, the manipulation of elections and implementation of puppet dictators and you will see why people sympathize left leaning ideals. Read up on how Mexico has historically been the U.S best pupil and a yes man

Yet some narrow minded people believe the failure of Latin America is because of their culture and the way they are. And that Mexico and Mexicans sole purpose is to run the U.S into the ground.

Unbelievable

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Unfortunately, too many Americans lack a basic education in world history. Latin America is the way it is precisely because the elite from the US, with their local partners in Latin America, have worked to undermine every country in the region to exploit it for its natural resources and labor pool. And, I agree, if you are a low information person, you'd blame brown skin and culture on the failures of Latin America.
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Old 04-17-2014, 04:48 AM
 
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Unfortunately, too many Americans lack a basic education in world history. Latin America is the way it is precisely because the elite from the US, with their local partners in Latin America, have worked to undermine every country in the region to exploit it for its natural resources and labor pool. And, I agree, if you are a low information person, you'd blame brown skin and culture on the failures of Latin America.
If that was the main cause, then why is Chile and Uruguay able to do quite well? And America was just as involved in Asia and they didn't turn socialist. Poor countries need to stop blaming the US for all their problems. The main cause is their own government.

The main reason is that poor countries often like to flirt with socialism. It lets the politicans do whatever they want and people are easily fooled by the simplistic message. In addition socialism has a strong foundation due to Cuba. Of course when it turns into disaster the people are already brainwashed and the government had total control of the media, the courts and the military making it really hard to overthrow the regime. The government can easily cheat in the election, because the courts are not independent.

But I don't think South America is doing that badly. They all see the disaster that is now Venezuela. That will make countries turn away from socialism and instead follow more sensible moderate policies. The countries who don't will be left behind and will eventually realize the right course.

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Old 04-17-2014, 05:19 AM
 
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Chile is doing quite well but only recently. They have a bit of a turbulant past aswell. And to imply Latin America is poor because of socialism is false. If we look at history you will see very very few governments in Latin America have ever been left wing.
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Old 04-17-2014, 05:03 PM
 
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If that was the main cause, then why is Chile and Uruguay able to do quite well? And America was just as involved in Asia and they didn't turn socialist. Poor countries need to stop blaming the US for all their problems. The main cause is their own government.

The main reason is that poor countries often like to flirt with socialism. It lets the politicans do whatever they want and people are easily fooled by the simplistic message. In addition socialism has a strong foundation due to Cuba. Of course when it turns into disaster the people are already brainwashed and the government had total control of the media, the courts and the military making it really hard to overthrow the regime. The government can easily cheat in the election, because the courts are not independent.

But I don't think South America is doing that badly. They all see the disaster that is now Venezuela. That will make countries turn away from socialism and instead follow more sensible moderate policies. The countries who don't will be left behind and will eventually realize the right course.
Noboy in blaming the U.S for all their problems. But the U.S did have a strong impact of the way it turn out. Who do you think all those corrupt dicators listen to? The U.S. Who do you placed those dictators in their position? The U.S.. When the Spaniards left, U.K and the U.S took over. Not literally, but economically and moving strings behind the curtains.

But of course the U.S is not the only ones to blame. The Spaniards took the the resources for themselves.

But at the end of the day, what is done is done, we cant change it. Now we have to move forward. All i am saying people who believe Latin America is the way it is right now " because that is their latin culture" or because " brown people are inferior" or whatever the F are dumb and live in a cave.
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Old 04-17-2014, 05:38 PM
 
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If that was the main cause, then why is Chile and Uruguay able to do quite well?
Not just those countries, Latin America as a region is better off than the average developing country. In fact, it can even be said that Latin American countries are the rich ones within the developing world.

Latin America vs Emerging Markets and Developing Economies

Latin America vs Emerging and Developing Asia - Middle East & North Africa - Sub-Saharan Africa
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Old 04-17-2014, 05:43 PM
 
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The Spaniards took the the resources for themselves.
That's nonsense. Spain didn't begin to develop until the 1960's and with help from the European Union. Before that time Spain was poor, underdeveloped, and hopeless. They even suffered the dictatorship of Francisco Franco at pretty much the same time much of Latin America was ruled by dictators too.

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Old 04-17-2014, 05:47 PM
 
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And, I agree, if you are a low information person, you'd blame brown skin and culture on the failures of Latin America.

http://i.imgur.com/S4QqTyI.png

By all accounts, almost the entire Western Hemisphere is Western in culture due to the heavy European ancestry in this part of the world. This implies that Western culture is passed from one generation to the next not just through education, but also within the family traditions. Unlike in much of the developing world where were subject to colonialism in the pure sense of the word (a group of people having a foreign culture imposed on them), in Latin America the Western culture DOES belongs to the people due to ancestry, with a few exceptions such as Haiti or Jamaica.

The only difference between Latin America and the rest of the West is that in Latin America the non-Western cultural influences, while always present a secondary influence, is much stronger than in the rest of the West. However, the non-Western cultural influences in Latin America are much weaker than everywhere else in the non-Western world and ancestry is a major reason for this.
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:57 AM
 
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http://i.imgur.com/E1mFmGZ.png?1?9966

Look at this, even when it comes to hunger in the entire developing world, its Latin America that overall is in much better shape. The countries with serious, alarming, and extremely alarming hunger levels are in various shades of orange and in red. The countries in shades of green suffer low to moderate hunger levels, and the countries in white are industrialized and the ones in grey don't have data.

Haiti is the only Latin American country with alarming levels of hunger and Guatemala, Bolivia, and Paraguay suffer serious levels. Everywhere else its either moderate or low, unprecedented in much of the developing world judging by how much the orange shades covers the other areas of the planet.
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