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I will cite this article published in the Puerto Rican business newspaper Caribbean Business:
"The United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization is again calling the United States to expedite a process that would allow Puerto Ricans to fully exercise their inalienable right to self-determination and independence. It reiterated its position that the 2012 status plebiscite was a rejection of the current commonwealth status.
The 29-member panel has taken up the issue of Puerto Rico’s status every year for four decades, but the UN General Assembly has not acted on the resolutions.
By a draft resolution approved by consensus Monday during its annual meeting, the panel reaffirmed the inalienable right of the people of Puerto Rico to self-determination and independence, and reiterated that the Puerto Rican people constituted a Latin American and Caribbean nation with its own unequivocal national identity. It called for the island to be able to take decisions, in a sovereign manner, to address their economic and social needs." UN decolonization panel: PR’s 2012 plebiscite rejected commonwealth - Caribbean Business
It isn't. Once upon a time Trinidad was a Spanish island, but then it changed hands and became British and it hasn't been Latin American ever since (similar to Jamaica and just about every non-Spanish island in the Caribbean because in the beginning they were all Spanish.) Trinidad is not facing a population crisis by the encroaching of Latin American people into its land, namely Venezuelans, so it will likely remain outside Latin America for a very long time. Belize, on the other hand, is Latin American from a population/cultural/linguistic point of view, even though traditionally it has been an Afro-Anglo-Caribbean country. Belize is a perfect example of what happens when uncontrolled immigration is not put under control.
Most Panamanians are the product of Spanish mixed with Amerindians/Africans, their mother tongue is Spanish, and they were a part of Spain for centuries. The Anglo influence is quite recent, mostly from the USA and the English-speaking Caribbean, but its still a minority and many of the Anglo-descendants there are highly hispanicized.
Panama didn't went the way of Florida, which today there are hardly any traces of when it was a Spanish province and much of the Spanish influence is quite recent, arriving mainly from Cuba, Puerto Rico and a handful of other Latin American countries.
The thing about Panama is that it has more in common, and the general feeling that one gets there, with Spanish-Caribbean countries such as Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, and the Caribbean coast of Colombia. More often than not Panamanians even speak like many of the people from the countries I mentioned and, when abroad, they are often confused for people from those countries. Also, most Panamanian have Spanish last names while most of the West Indian descendants (most of those immigrants were men) have English last names.
A lot of the West Indian descendants have moved to the USA and many have increasingly mixed and/or intermarried with Panamanians with Spanish surnames. In some cases, some Panamanians of West Indian descent adopted Spanish surnames or even translated their last names to the direct Spanish equivalent. Some West Indians were even forcefully or accidentally given Spanish/Hispanic/Latin surnames because the enumerator or tabulator or locals couldn't spell or pronounce it.
Another thing to consider is that there were West Indians with Scottish surnames, Irish surnames and even in some cases African or African related surnames etc. You even had cases of people who didn't even have a surname etc or some other peculiar or unique circumstances.
Also there were people from the English speaking Caribbean that had Spanish, Portuguese, French and other Latin based surnames that came into Panama. Many Caribbean Sephardi Jews with Caribbean roots in virtually all islands dating back to 1492 and their descendants most often had and still to this day have Latin surnames.
You also had people with Asian surnames etc. So it's much more nuanced and complex.
Please find 'emotionally charged videos' of people from actual states showing pride in their country (not USA) and nation as the Puerto Ricans do. I would prefer videos of any 'state people' celebrating their 'stateness' in any other state, because Puerto Ricans show their pride in their country and nation in various states with their Puerto Rican Day parades.
Puerto Rico is not a part of the USA, its a country with a special relationship with the United States. If it was a part of the USA, it wouldn't have full independence as an actual option. That Puerto Ricans continue to vote in favor of the current special relationship they have with the USA, instead of fully joining the USA or becoming fully independent, is a testament that they love their Puerto Rican country and identity, but also love the billions of dollars they get from the USA tax payers. Its a sweet deal.
No federal income tax, can't vote for the president, gets a statutory citizenship instead of a full fledged U.S. citizenship; but gets billions in US tax payers money every single year and most of the population lives on welfare/food stamps/social U.S. tax payers funded programs. Like I said, its a sweet deal.
One of the biggest fears that keep Puerto Ricans from voting in favor of fully joining the USA is that many think they will lose their identity and Spanish will disappear as their language. Its the very first thing most Puerto Ricans say when you ask them why they don't vote to become a state already. Every time you give them the option of becoming fully integrated into the USA or fully independent or stay the same, they opt for staying the same. Their love of their country keeps them from fully joining the USA but their love of the billions of US tax payers dollars keeps them from opting for full independence.
Puerto Ricans are reacting as anyone would if they were in their shoes.
Why are you even mentioning anything about fully USA states? Everyone knows secession is simply not possible. Once a state, remains a state forever because the United States is unalienable. Puerto Rico, on the other hand, does have the option of independence because they are not an incorporated territory of the United States, they are a country that has a special relationship with the USA, which I already explained in a previous post.
Many Creoles and related Hispano-Franco-Latin Creole cultural/linguistic descent people in states like Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Texas, Florida celebrate their cultural and states with pride.
I will cite this article published in the Puerto Rican business newspaper Caribbean Business:
"The United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization is again calling the United States to expedite a process that would allow Puerto Ricans to fully exercise their inalienable right to self-determination and independence. It reiterated its position that the 2012 status plebiscite was a rejection of the current commonwealth status.
The 29-member panel has taken up the issue of Puerto Rico’s status every year for four decades, but the UN General Assembly has not acted on the resolutions.
By a draft resolution approved by consensus Monday during its annual meeting, the panel reaffirmed the inalienable right of the people of Puerto Rico to self-determination and independence, and reiterated that the Puerto Rican people constituted a Latin American and Caribbean nation with its own unequivocal national identity. It called for the island to be able to take decisions, in a sovereign manner, to address their economic and social needs." UN decolonization panel: PR’s 2012 plebiscite rejected commonwealth - Caribbean Business
It isn't. Once upon a time Trinidad was a Spanish island, but then it changed hands and became British and it hasn't been Latin American ever since (similar to Jamaica and just about every non-Spanish island in the Caribbean because in the beginning they were all Spanish.) Trinidad is not facing a population crisis by the encroaching of Latin American people into its land, namely Venezuelans, so it will likely remain outside Latin America for a very long time. Belize, on the other hand, is Latin American from a population/cultural/linguistic point of view, even though traditionally it has been an Afro-Anglo-Caribbean country. Belize is a perfect example of what happens when uncontrolled immigration is not put under control.
Most Panamanians are the product of Spanish mixed with Amerindians/Africans, their mother tongue is Spanish, and they were a part of Spain for centuries. The Anglo influence is quite recent, mostly from the USA and the English-speaking Caribbean, but its still a minority and many of the Anglo-descendants there are highly hispanicized.
Panama didn't went the way of Florida, which today there are hardly any traces of when it was a Spanish province and much of the Spanish influence is quite recent, arriving mainly from Cuba, Puerto Rico and a handful of other Latin American countries.
The thing about Panama is that it has more in common, and the general feeling that one gets there, with Spanish-Caribbean countries such as Cuba, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, and the Caribbean coast of Colombia. More often than not Panamanians even speak like many of the people from the countries I mentioned and, when abroad, they are often confused for people from those countries. Also, most Panamanian have Spanish last names while most of the West Indian descendants (most of those immigrants were men) have English last names.
Actually, Trinidad & Tobago, especially Trinidad could be considered Latin America. It has lots of strong eminently strong Spanish influences and Spanish derived folklore & traditions, that are eminently Latin in feel & vibe.
A lot of Colombians and Colombian cultural traditions, customs, & folklore originated in what is now the Republic of Panama.
Pacific Colombia once was part of Panama until fairly recently, and many parts of the Atlantic/Caribbean coast of Colonbia were part of Panama up until fairly recently. In fact, MANY individuals in these aformentioned regions of Colombia identify more with or as Panamanians and have held up Panamanian flags, & burned Colombian flags in support of secession and re annexation into Panama, and it makes much more sense when you consider cultural & historical affinities, and jurisdictional & political antecedents.
Panama is not as Anglo as many people try to make it out to be.
Most Panamanians tend to be overall tri racial, or a virtually thorough mix of African, Native American, & European. However there is sizeable Asian, & Middle Eastern genetic input if one does a further breakdown.
Panama is probably the 4th most diverse nation in the Western Hemisphere, after USA, Canada, & Brazil. Panama is extremely diverse. It's genetic profile stands out among most or compared to other nations in the Western Hemisphere and among Latin Americans, in particular.
So if they are of Afro-Puerto Rican descent from the island as in their African ancestors were enslaved on the rock that does not count as PR? Your statement is so exemplary of those who exclude Black people from Puerto Rican identity on the island and outside of it. I guess that's why Tego says he's Black before PR, even on the isla.
True, although remember that black AND Puerto Rican ARE NOT mutually exclusive!
Yes but some of the Latin purists didn't want to include it. It makes no sense to me to include Haiti but exclude Belize, which has Hispanics as their largest ethnic group.
Yes but some of the Latin purists didn't want to include it. It makes no sense to me to include Haiti but exclude Belize, which has Hispanics as their largest ethnic group.
The difference is that Haiti is Latin because of its French roots.
The difference is that Haiti is Latin because of its French roots.
So Mali is also a Latin country because they also speak French. We can also add Morocco as well.
Nigerians are Anglo Saxons because they speak English.
So basically we can divide up most of the world into Anglo Saxons or Latins, except for nations like China, which never under went colonization, so don't have a European language as their official.
So Mali is also a Latin country because they also speak French. We can also add Morocco as well.
Nigerians are Anglo Saxons because they speak English.
So basically we can divide up most of the world into Anglo Saxons or Latins, except for nations like China, which never under went colonization, so don't have a European language as their official.
Well then following your logic, All Spanish speaking countries in the Western Hemisphere should not be called Latin or Hispanic either.
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