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About Guyana and Caribbean, there is the French Guyana (Latina) and the Guyana. The same with various Caribbean beautiful islands. Not all of then were colonized by latin countries. Some are, some are not.
And to show how stupid that map is, loads of Francophone Africans countries have been left out. In fact in most of these nations French is NOT the first language of the population. It is used mainly for official purposes.
Any way Jamaicans, Nigerians, and Indians are now Germanic, given that their official language, English, is as close to German, as French is to Latin. It must be so if Martiniquans, and Haitians are "Latin", by accident of being colonized by the French, even though the vast majority do not have French ancestry to any great degree, nor do they even speak French in the way that people in France do.
What do people from non-Latin speaking countries in the Caribbean Sea call their self?
Just Jamaicans, Bahamians etc.?
Not Caribs, Antilleans, Island Americans or American Islanders?
"Central or Middle Americans" should only be used for the people on the mainland between the U.S. and Colombia imo.
We call ourselves "Caribbean", when we refer to ourselves collectively.
Jamaica is a Caribbean country. They aren't "Germanic", merely because they speak a language which is Germanic in origin.
Honestly, I don't think we are including or excluding anyone when use the term Caribbean.
It's just that no one says Anglo-Caribbean, but just Caribbean. Now with the term West Indian, it's a different story though.
Really. When a group of Jamaicans, Guyanese, Trinidadians and Bajans talk of "Caribbean" people, do we really include Puerto Ricans, or people from the Dominican Republic?
Only the most evolved of us do, and then we refer to the "English speaking Caribbean", a mouthful.
For most people from the Anglophone Caribbean reggae/soca encapsulates what being "Caribbean" is about. Sometimes, we include the French Caribbean, as we detect some similarities. The Hispanic Caribbean is considered "Spanish".
Really. When a group of Jamaicans, Guyanese, Trinidadians and Bajans talk of "Caribbean" people, do we really include Puerto Ricans, or people from the Dominican Republic?
Only the most evolved of us do, and then we refer to the "English speaking Caribbean", a mouthful.
For most people from the Anglophone Caribbean reggae/soca encapsulates what being "Caribbean" is about. Sometimes, we include the French Caribbean, as we detect some similarities. The Hispanic Caribbean is considered "Spanish".
That's not it. It's simply common knowledge among us that the Hispanic and French Caribbean are Caribbean as well. However, we just know WHICH Caribbean people we are speaking about.
And to show how stupid that map is, loads of Francophone Africans countries have been left out. In fact in most of these nations French is NOT the first language of the population.
So the map is correct, since it represents people that speaks latin languages.
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Originally Posted by caribny
Any way Jamaicans, Nigerians, and Indians are now Germanic, given that their official language, English, is as close to German, as French is to Latin. It must be so if Martiniquans, and Haitians are "Latin", by accident of being colonized by the French
Latino is an idiomatic identification, there's no ethnic relation, since the Roman empire always conquered different people. Germanic generally is more an ethnical identification.
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Originally Posted by caribny
We call ourselves "Caribbean", when we refer to ourselves collectively.
Jamaica is a Caribbean country. They aren't "Germanic", merely because they speak a language which is Germanic in origin.
And it's not used for any of the former colonies of non-latin empires. India for exemple.
Maybe because latin was already an international language before the navigation era and it was already not related to an especific ethny, latinos are who speaks a latin family language. (and maybe because all we want to be latin lovers...)
So the map is correct, since it represents people that speaks latin languages.
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Latino is an idiomatic identification, there's no ethnic relation, since the Roman empire always conquered different people. Germanic generally is more an ethnical identification.
And it's not used for any of the former colonies of non-latin empires. India for exemple.
Maybe because latin was already an international language before the navigation era and it was already not related to an especific ethny, latinos are who speaks a latin family language. (and maybe because all we want to be latin lovers...)
So...we have learned the term Latino as known by 'Muricans makes no sense.
So the map is correct, since it represents people that speaks latin languages.
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Latino is an idiomatic identification, there's no ethnic relation, since the Roman empire always conquered different people. Germanic generally is more an ethnical identification.
And it's not used for any of the former colonies of non-latin empires. India for exemple.
Maybe because latin was already an international language before the navigation era and it was already not related to an especific ethny, latinos are who speaks a latin family language. (and maybe because all we want to be latin lovers...)
Jamaicans speak a language which evolved out of German, but that doesn't make them Germanic. Haitians speak a language which evolved out of Latin, but that doesn't make them Latin. It makes them a Caribbean people who SPEAK a language which evolved out of Latin.
In any case I can think of no instance where people from the Spanish and Portuguese speaking countries embrace Haitians as fellow Latin Americans. Where do you see evidence of this? Certainly NOT in the USA.
Africans are Anglophone, Francophone, or Lusophone. The notion of a Latin African will strike them as ludicrous.
Plus the map excludes many Francophone African nations.
That's not it. It's simply common knowledge among us that the Hispanic and French Caribbean are Caribbean as well. However, we just know WHICH Caribbean people we are speaking about.
True for you, an educated and informed woman.
Go to the streets in Florida with large West Indian populations, and ask them whether they identify Puerto Ricans as "Caribbean", or merely "Spanish". I know that in the VI and other Eastern Caribbean islands where Dominicanos have gone to live they are considered "Spanish", nothing more need be added. And "Spanish" almost as an epithet.
And even for those who do know geography, there is an implicit understanding that there is a bond which Anglophone Caribbean people to each other. and that we share something with the Francophones. There is an issue though with "dem Spanish people". Now this might not be true for Trinidad, with its long ties to Venezuela, but it is definitely true for Guyana, even as we are embedded between Venezuela (the northwest border), and Brazil (the south west and southern borders).
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