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and the DR and Bolivia aren't Spain, even though both were colonized. The specifics of these nation's cultures are a result of their histories and of the peoples who settled there. What should be obvious is that in both the purely descended Spanish populations are a distinct minority, and other groups have made their stamp. This means that they are very different places.
Even within Colombia there are distinct "Caribbean" spaces and distinct spaces that are "Andean". All within one nation.
Most Colombians are partially of Spanish descent, and ditto for most Dominicans.
You'll find large amounts of European Spanish DNA throughout Latin America. And that's what you're ignoring.
La Malinche is an example of how Mexicans (and many Latin Americans view themselves). La Malinche was a Axtec woman who spoke both Nahautl and Mayan. She learned Spanish, became the concubine of Cortez and gave him the informationt that allowed him to conquer Tenochtitlan, the capital of the Aztec empire. She had a child with him, and he eventually married her off to a good friend of his, and she had a child by him. Some Mexicans view her as a traiter, but others view her as the mother of a new race of people.
Along those lines, Dominicans are NOT Africans ,and Mexicans are not NATIVES. Dominicans have African, European, and Native ancestry, while Mexicans have European and Native ancestry (some African ancestry too). Colombia has lots of all three as well.
Nigerians were conquered by the English, who did not settle Nigeria in large numbers and Nigerians are not HEAVILY mixed (yes, I know there are mixed race Nigerians) with British the way many Dominicans are light skinned with straight or wavy hair (but not entirely white) due to heavy mixing with Spanish and Natives.
Well some might argue that Latinos from the Caribbean don't have that much in common with others from South and Central America and Mexico. Further evidence that language alone doesn't determine culture. I have heard several Puerto Ricans living in NY claim that they feel more bonded to Jamaicans than they feel to Mexicans.
Did any one say that Dominicans are Africans? What however is undeniable is that they do have a definitely identifiable African component within their culture. This is why Dominicans share much with other Afro Latin cultures which border the Caribbean, and also Brazil, and much less with nations like Bolivia. They also have an overlap with other Afro influenced cultures in the English, French and Dutch speaking Caribbean, including the Guyanas.
As much as you may try to suggest otherwise Dominicans, Bolivians and Mexicans are NOT Spaniards.
Well some might argue that Latinos from the Caribbean don't have that much in common with others from South and Central America and Mexico. Further evidence that language alone doesn't determine culture. I have heard several Puerto Ricans living in NY claim that they feel more bonded to Jamaicans than they feel to Mexicans.
I told NYwriter this but he screams that is because they are Nuyoricans. Wonder how he explains Dem Bow in the DR, and reggaeton in PR and Cuba. Don't see any evidence of a highly popular interest in the Andean flutes in any of these Spanish Caribbean islands.
Latin America is a broad description of countries which had colonial links to the Iberian peninsular. They are certain cultural overlap, but then there are distinct differences as well. The histories of each region are different as are the various peoples which settled. It is possible that Cartagena has more in common with Havana and Santo Domingo than it has even with Bogota.
Did any one say that Dominicans are Africans? What however is undeniable is that they do have a definitely identifiable African component within their culture. This is why Dominicans share much with other Afro Latin cultures which border the Caribbean, and also Brazil, and much less with nations like Bolivia. They also have an overlap with other Afro influenced cultures in the English, French and Dutch speaking Caribbean, including the Guyanas.
As much as you may try to suggest otherwise Dominicans, Bolivians and Mexicans are NOT Spaniards.
The Spanish component in Latin American countries is the dominant cultural component, along with it being the language.
Afro Latin?
There is no such thing as Afro Latin in Latin America. People do not call themselves "Afro". Afro-Latin is an invention of certain people in the US, pushing a certain political identity.
Most Dominicans and Mexicans are part Spanish, and in most parts of Latin America, the concept of being the union of multiple races (including the Spanish) is a core part of their national and cultural identity.
So while it's certainly true most Dominicans are at least partially of African descent (ditto Puerto Ricans), it's also true most of these people do not call themselves Black or African and instead identify as mixed race.
I told NYwriter this but he screams that is because they are Nuyoricans. Wonder how he explains Dem Bow in the DR, and reggaeton in PR and Cuba. Don't see any evidence of a highly popular interest in the Andean flutes in any of these Spanish Caribbean islands.
Latin America is a broad description of countries which had colonial links to the Iberian peninsular. They are certain cultural overlap, but then there are distinct differences as well. The histories of each region are different as are the various peoples which settled. It is possible that Cartagena has more in common with Havana and Santo Domingo than it has even with Bogota.
And neither you nor Mike are PR, and the mixed race identities of Latin America seen to be an issue for some Anglo Caribbeans AND African Americans.
Jamaicans generally don't even live in the same neighborhoods as Puerto Ricans and Dominicans. There's a lot of linguistic segregation in NYC.
Lastly Dominican and Puerto Rican immigrants in NYC tend to be much more European than Jamaican immigrants in NYC. the percentage of Puerto Rican's and Dominicans that are 50 percent white or more is much higher than what you have in Jamaica. Lastly the majority of people in Peru have considerable Spanish ancestry and do not identify as native or speak native languages primarily.
Most Latin Americans have significant Spanish ancestry. And yes this ties into their culture.
And neither you nor Mike are PR, and the mixed race identities of Latin America seen to be an issue for some Anglo Caribbeans AND African Americans.
Not really. Mixed race identities abound in the English-speaking Caribbean. Further, racial perceptions differ depending on the island. If you want to speak about a particular nation, then do so. Other than that, you're speaking about dynamics about which you are unaware. People in the English-speaking Caribbean are concerned with matters that affect their everyday life. You'll be hard-pressed to find people discussing such matters at all.
Speak for African-Americans, as that is your background, if I am not mistaken.
Not really. Mixed race identities abound in the English-speaking Caribbean. Further, racial perceptions differ depending on the island. If you want to speak about a particular nation, then do so. Other than that, you're speaking about dynamics about which you are unaware. People in the English-speaking Caribbean are concerned with matters that affect their everyday life. You'll be hard-pressed to find people discussing such matters at all.
Speak for African-Americans, as that is your background, if I am not mistaken.
I was speaking for immigrant populations in NYC, not as the English Caribbean at all.
Reread what I said.
I specifically referred Jamaican and Dominican immigrants.
You're being ridiculously defensive.
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Lastly, there's considerable commonality in the mixed raced identities in all the Spanish countries, how that affects the culture and the language itself.
Most Latin Americans who have a lot of Spanish in them do not call themselves Indians/Natives or Black.
Take Puerto Rico. The majority of Puerto Ricans are comparatively light, and have considerable European features (but they are also part Native and part White). This is not the majority of Jamaicans, and not the majority in ANY Anglo Caribbean nation and I seriously doubt any of you can provide statistics to show otherwise.
The average Puerto Rican individual carries 12% Native American, 65% West Eurasian (Mediterranean, Northern European and/or Middle Eastern) and 20% Sub-Saharan African DNA. To help explain these frequencies in light of the maternal and paternal differences, I used basic math and inferred that it would take at least three distinct migrations of hundreds of European men each (and practically no European women) to Puerto Rico, followed by intermixing with indigenous women. It also would necessitate the complete decimation of indigenous men (but not women), to account for those numbers. These results are surprising and also shed light into a dark colonial past that, until now, had remained somewhat unclear.
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