Comparison between American and Brazilian borders (crime, life, cost, 2013)
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I've noticed the Brazilian and American borders have a lot of similarities, obviously the Brazilian borders in a "lower level", as South America isn't as rich as US and Canada:
Brazil-USA: Both countries are the richest(in terms of GDP) and most populated of their neighbors. Also, both countries have a great variety of climates(although Brazil is on average much hotter) and have the business city of the neighborhood(São Paulo and NYC). Brazil and US also have nice quality of life when comparing to some of its bordering countries.
Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela - Mexico: Mexico is often seen as the poor neighbor of the US. Many people from Mexico have recently immigrated to the US, Mexican quality of life isn't as good as the American one and US kind of has a lot of influence in a great part of Mexican economy. In the last years the same has happened between Brazil and Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia and Venezuela. Immigration to Brazil has started to grow(mostly Bolivians, Peruvians and Venezuelans), Brazil has a big influence in their economy, Brazil is richer than those countries etc.
Uruguay, Argentina, Chile - Canada: Canada has a closer relationship to the US. Also Canada is a better country than the US overall(in terms of quality of life - "overall" because areas in the Canada-US border have very similar qualities of life, but when you take USA as a whole, Canada stands out as a better country). Canada is a big country but with a much smaller population when compared to the US and has a colder climate. The same happens between Uruguay, Argentina, Chile and Brazil. Brazil is a bigger country, has a bigger population and is economically stronger than Uruguay, Argentina and Chile. However, Uruguay, Argentina and Chile have nicer conditions of life and a much colder climate. These countries(mostly Argentina and Uruguay) also have a closer relationship to Brazil than Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia and Venezuela.
That's it, what do you think? Is Brazil and its borders similar to US and its borders?
*PS: I know Chile and Ecuador don't have borders with Brazil but I disconsidered it because they are geographically very close to Brazil.
I also realize Colombia isn't as poor as most countries in the group I put it, but also isn't as rich as Uruguay, Argentina and Chile.
I'm sorry, but I think these borders couldn't be more different!
In USA there's a huge border in the north with just one country - that is, as you mentioned, a high standard. In the south there 's another huge border with just one country that is extremely problematic and even so there are dozens of millions people from there living in USA.
Brazil has borders in the same side with lots of differents countries, and generally the quality of life of these countries doesn't change very much from the region of Brazil that they border.
There are some immigration, but not in the proportion of millions like we see in USA. That's why in most of the cases it only worths if it's legal and if there's a good opportunity in the neighbour country. Illegal immigration doesn't worth at all.
The only similarity we can see is with Bolivia, that is really poorer and we see some illegal immigration, but the conditions of these immigrants are terrible. We see much more of them in Argentina than in Brazil. There are also some coming from Haiti.
I'm suspecting maybe a delusional Brazilian started this thread - could be wrong.
Mexico actually has a higher GDP per capita than Brazil.
Brazil is also currently in a recession and is projected to be for all of next year by the IMF, whereas Colombia has the fastest growth of all major economies in the region followed by Mexico.
Brazil also has alarming violent crime in its cities more-so than the usually considered more dangerous Colombia.
The figures for 2013 showed 11 Brazilian cities in the Top 30 most dangerous, topped by Maceio, Fortaleza, Joao Pessoa, Natal, Salvador, Vitoria, Sao Luis, Belem, Campina Grande, Goiania and Cuiaba. With an increase in the number of cities year on year.
Colombia on the other hand reduced from 5 cities in 2012 to 2 cities in 2013 and really it could be said 1 city because Cali and Palmira are 30 minutes from eachother and form a larger met area. Mexico stayed with more or less the same amount of cities. 2014 also saw a fall in Colombia particularly.
Chile, Argentina and Uruguay have much higher GDPs per capita and socio-economic stats than Brazil. In the UN's human development index of 2012 Brazil ranked similarly to Peru, Ecuador, Colombia and Mexico.
What Brasil has to its advantage is that its a massive country of over 200 million people, equal to all the other South American countries put together. Therefore its government has the ability and need (due to its size) to fund large infrastructure projects. It also means it has a larger market under one roof which is attractive to business.
Top 30 homicide rates 2013
***Brazilian borders and US borders are 2 very different animals.
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Uruguay, Argentina, Chile - Canada: Canada has a closer relationship to the US. Also Canada is a better country than the US overall(in terms of quality of life - "overall" because areas in the Canada-US border have very similar qualities of life, but when you take USA as a whole, Canada stands out as a better country). .
No, Canada is not a "better country than the US overall". Areas near the US northern border are not necessarily superlative in the country for their quality of life, and much of Canada outside it's border region is completely undeveloped, and where it isn't, it's destitute in a way America is not.
Canada is poorer on average, and throughout history, has always been poorer, and was never looked at as a desirable alternative to the US at all. To this day, way, WAY more Canadians move to the US per capita than the other way around. Canada has a prohibitively high cost of living in many areas, less job opportunities, and allows for much less disposable income.
No, Canada is not a "better country than the US overall". Areas near the US northern border are not necessarily superlative in the country for their quality of life, and much of Canada outside it's border region is completely undeveloped, and where it isn't, it's destitute in a way America is not.
Canada is poorer on average, and throughout history, has always been poorer, and was never looked at as a desirable alternative to the US at all. To this day, way, WAY more Canadians move to the US per capita than the other way around. Canada has a prohibitively high cost of living in many areas, less job opportunities, and allows for much less disposable income.
Do you just search around on this entire forum for any trace of slightly negative comment about the US and bounce on it?
This is a discussion about Brazil and American in retrospect to their surrounding countries. Let's not turn this thread into another one of the many threads I've seen in the last five minutes where you are arguing about US vs. __ and how US is apparently vastly superior in every conceivable way possible and has no faults, in threads unrelated to that topic. This entire forum has seen enough of that.
As for the discussion, however, yes, I could see somewhat of a comparison. Both Brazil and the US both descended from European nations who split off from their mother countries and eventually eclipsed them in population and influence. Also, interestingly, they are both mostly immigrant nations and both speak a European language in which parallels could be drawn between the accents of Brazil/US and Portugal/UK in terms of "prestige" or how they are often seen, so to speak. The borders and surrounding countries are an interesting comparison, though I think that lumping up a lot of diverse countries like Venezuela to Bolivia is somewhat hard to do, I can definitely see how you came to this, OP.
The biggest similarity is that they are both the largest economies of their respective regions. They are also both known for their ethnic diversity and lingering racial tensions.
I don't think it is possible to drive a car from Rio to any of those borders except Uruguay, Argentina or Paraguay. So Brazil's borders are mostlyy internal, not like the sense of the US-Mexican border. Theere are quite a few cities on the Brazil border that have no border control at all, nor even signposted on urban streets, likr Chui or Leticia.
I don't think it is possible to drive a car from Rio to any of those borders except Uruguay, Argentina or Paraguay. So Brazil's borders are mostlyy internal, not like the sense of the US-Mexican border. Theere are quite a few cities on the Brazil border that have no border control at all, nor even signposted on urban streets, likr Chui or Leticia.
Most of Western and Northern Brazil is very sparsely populated, and there are no bridges across the Amazon River – not because they are impossible to build, but there is little population to connect. Furthermore, you have a huge rainforest to go through if you want to go to those border countries. Using the rivers is more efficient.
You can go to Bolivia and Peru from Rio by road, though.
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