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By the way, when Columbus discovered the Caribbean islands in 1492, the islands of east Asia (modern Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Borneo, etc) was simply known as The Indies. Once it was discovered that the Caribbean islands were a completely new sets (it was a few years), the old The Indies became The East Indies and the new Caribbean islands became The West Indian. Guess what were they looking at when they changed the names to the island?
The first English colony in America began in 1607 in Jamestown, Virginia, USA. Saint Kitts was the first English colony in The West Indies and that didn’t happen until 1623. Over a hundred years that the Caribbean islands was called The West Indies by the Spanish. In fact, the Spanish named most of the Caribbean islands and the English (and later the French, the Dutch, etc) were changed to the English language. Some islands retained their original Taino/Carib indian names and had them changed first to the Spanish language and the to the English language.
Plus, the Spanish also called all of America as Las Indias (The Indies) too. In fact, in Seville is the Archivo General de las Indias (The General Archives of the Indies) where they keep most of the Spanish American documents dating back to the 1500’s until their independence. Also, the houses built in Spain by Spaniards that became rich in America are known as Casas Indianas (The Indian Houses or Houses From The Indies).
There are West Indians descendants in certain areas of Venezuela as evidenced by the small Patois speaking communities (Paria and El Callao). The people have origins in Trinidad, Grenada, Martinique, Guadeloupe and Haiti etc.
There are West Indians descendants in certain areas of Venezuela as evidenced by the small Patois speaking communities (Paria and El Callao). The people have origins in Trinidad, Grenada, Martinique, Guadeloupe and Haiti etc.
The West Indians in Venezuela are mostly of Guyanese descent ,with some others there.
Many Guyanese are in Sante Elena in Bolivar State of Venezuela.
Guyana and Venezuela are still to resolve a decades-old border controversy currently being managed by the United Nations. In a televised interview with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Miles explained that since her posting to Venezuela, much of her work has been in relation to the Diaspora which makes up some 250,000 Guyanese living in Venezuela.
Some of them have been returning from Venezuela along with the more than 5000 Venezuelan migrants in the country now.
The West Indians in Venezuela are mostly of Guyanese descent ,with some others there.
Many Guyanese are in Sante Elena in Bolivar State of Venezuela.
Some of them have been returning from Venezuela along with the more than 5000 Venezuelan migrants in the country now.
That makes sense considering the proximity. However, the patois speaking community in Venezuela is a mixture of those formerly/currently Kreyol/Patois speaking West Indian nations - Trinidad, Grenada, Martinique, Guadeloupe and Haiti. There was a YouTube video of an old Trini Indian man (probably deceased now) whose parents moved to Venezuela around 1900. He spoke only Kreyol and Spanish, since that’s what most in Trinidad spoke at that time.
I’m surprised there aren’t more Venezuelan migrants in Guyana at this time though.
That makes sense considering the proximity. However, the patois speaking community in Venezuela is a mixture of those formerly/currently Kreyol/Patois speaking West Indian nations - Trinidad, Grenada, Martinique, Guadeloupe and Haiti. There was a YouTube video of an old Trini Indian man (probably deceased now) whose parents moved to Venezuela around 1900. He spoke only Kreyol and Spanish, since that’s what most in Trinidad spoke at that time.
I’m surprised there aren’t more Venezuelan migrants in Guyana at this time though.
Do you mean the formerly Francophone Antillano community ?
But yes the large community in Guyana is because of the Amerindian heritage which runs deep with some people especially with the people residing in Essequibo both Amerindian and mixed Amerindian buffiano not necessarily just the proximity.The Boviander Guyanese used to travel to Venezuela back and forth for business opportunities. They might of even helped to jumpstart the ranching and rodeo lifestyle in bush especially in the Rupununi area in the Berbice. The Amerindian community is also transient through Guyana ,Suriname Venezuela and Brazil so that's why you have some Guyanese with double nationalities in these countries.
But there might be more Venezuelans in Guyana than reported the thing is many Venezuelans returning have a parent in Guyana or both.Many Guyanese also have double citizenship.
Many Guyanese musicians like the Frank Holder ,Mike Mickenzie,and Bing Serrao & the Ramblers have travled back and forth dabbling in Latin American music from Brazil and Venezuela.
My cousin's husband is Venezuelan always told me about the Guyanese and Trinis that used to work at the restaurants in Caracus when he was there.
Note that the singers are a mix of blacks and Indigenous people. This part of Nicaragua was ignored by the Spanish, and settled by the British, who brought slaves with them. The history of this region is parallel to San Andres.
So these aren't "West Indians", as defined by immigrants. These are a people who developed a creole culture, as they were exposed to the same cultural and socio economic conditions as were others elsewhere in the Caribbean.
It is possible that, until recently, the Miskito Indians of this region, might have had more in common with these English speaking blacks than they did with other Indigenous people in Nicaragua.
What was the point of this thread but to confuse people about the term Kreyol?
Look the west Indies/West Indian is the race standard of what morons like the call the Caribbean. Which is an international term ( see the Philippines for example ) Kreyol ( language wise ) usually reference the Haitian identity in reference to Old-France and Africa and in no way is an language to spoken through out the west-indies. Yes there are Patois that is spoken in the land but is not taken seriously through international trade. That being said there is West Indian/Native American ( not including Indian-Indian ) languages spoken throughout the islands. Obviously this also relates to Central Americans region including upper South Americas and some areas of North Americas.
Bottom line it is all west Indies and right now because of the US border racist-retard policy many people are actually looking for other nations to flock to.......like Dominica Republic which is now having a problem. To make matters worst we have the problem of lack of tourists and vicious foreigner investors tatics ( like tricking people out of property and working towards white-collared jobs ).
West Indians are west Indians. Right next-door to my grandmothers land my father claims the most ugliest woman lives there. That being said with his wife he feels embarrassed to be walking with instead of my mother which would have the true West Indian identity. Ever seen those Road Island Red cartoon and the skinny hen would not leave him alone.
Again I have no idea about your rant or nonsense. When I put down race I put West Indian as my Grandmother did. Think of it like being Asian. It is an insult to various Asian groups ( police profile ) because they do not define themselves by the term Asian.
Otherwise would could I say. It is the women who seeks the stereotypical West Indian image. Tall dark man with smooth face. Many who otherwise just see themselves as black. Like my cousin who had a kid with a Haitian guy with dreads ( dreads today is like yesterday beards. The meaning is lost in time and space. If it exist you might as well compare it to a homeless construction worker who smokes ) that caved in to his own kind because of his family values ( which obviously did not speak or refuse to speak English ).
The Colonial times are dead and gone. You wanna call yourself whatever. Then call yourself whatever. However do not ruin it for everybody and just stick with one person when you have kids. Also about words. Remember in an international market this is seen as slang or memories for tourists.
Do you mean the formerly Francophone Antillano community ?
But yes the large community in Guyana is because of the Amerindian heritage which runs deep with some people especially with the people residing in Essequibo both Amerindian and mixed Amerindian buffiano not necessarily just the proximity.The Boviander Guyanese used to travel to Venezuela back and forth for business opportunities. They might of even helped to jumpstart the ranching and rodeo lifestyle in bush especially in the Rupununi area in the Berbice. The Amerindian community is also transient through Guyana ,Suriname Venezuela and Brazil so that's why you have some Guyanese with double nationalities in these countries.
But there might be more Venezuelans in Guyana than reported the thing is many Venezuelans returning have a parent in Guyana or both.Many Guyanese also have double citizenship.
Many Guyanese musicians like the Frank Holder ,Mike Mickenzie,and Bing Serrao & the Ramblers have travled back and forth dabbling in Latin American music from Brazil and Venezuela.
My cousin's husband is Venezuelan always told me about the Guyanese and Trinis that used to work at the restaurants in Caracus when he was there.
No, I mean the current and former Kreyol/French-speaking Caribbean. I would not limit it to the formerly French Antilles because French-Creole (patois) was once the lingua franca of Trinidad, though never officially colonized by the French. All of the nations previously listed (including Trinidad) contributed to the Patois/Kreyol speaking community in Venezuela.
The Amerindians connection makes sense...and those nations have long had back and forth anyway.
Here's a report from Trinidadian newspaper about the Venezuelan migrants in Trinidad .It also talks about the Venezuelans in Guyana.
Reports are 50k-60k in T&T and 10 K for Guyana.
Trinidad has begun a massive two-week registration exercise of Venezuelans living in the country in a bid to bring some semblance of order to its refugee crisis even as more are arriving from the finance-starved neighboring South American nation each week.
With numbers hovering at between 50,000-60,000, authorities think the time has come to regularize the situation and plan to offer those who get registered the chance to live and work legally in the oil and gas-rich nation for up to a year even as Prime Minister Keith Rowley has emphasized a Trinidad first policy.
The island, alongside Guyana to its south, is the one bearing the brunt of the Venezuelan migration issues with numbers in Guyana heading toward 10,000 and as leaders in native Amerindian villages near the border are beginning to complain about the strain of hosting arrivals from across the border.
Now here is a map that reports 40k Venezuelan nationals in Trinidad and 36K Venezuelan nationals in Guyana,thats more than Curacao with 26k and the Dominican Republic with 29k.
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The Venezuelans are moving to just four islands in the Caribbean (2/3 of one island and only the Spanish-speaking part). The entire subregion has hundreds of islands. While the Venezuelan plight is bad, they are headed to islands that have a booming economy, from what I’m seeing. Three of those islands are very close to Venezuela.
In Central America they are going to two countries out of 7 countries in that isthmus.
Part of Colombia’s popularity is that its right there and the Colombians simply can’t keep the whole border under watch. However, many Venezuelans are staying in that country, which means the Colombian economy had absorbed a good chunk of Venezuelans. I can imagine that is quite a shock, especially in the border towns.
In the rest of South America most are headed to Ecuador, Peru, Chile, and Argentina. I bet the economies and the Spanish language is the main draw to those countries. Bolivia and Paraguay hardly have Venezuelans by comparison, despite the Spanish language.
In Europe only three countries have a sizable Venezuelan presence, but only Spain has over 200,000.
Despite everything, the USA has more Venezuelans than all the countries except Peru and Colombia. It is similar in size to Chile’s Venezuelan population. Mexico has more than Canada though.
Of Spanish-speaking countries there are hardly any Venezuelans in Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Cuba, Puerto Rico, and Ecuatorial Guinea; this last one is in western Africa. Bolivia, Paraguay, and Uruguay each have less than 10K. Every other Spanish-speaking country either have a sizable or significant Venezuelan presence.
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