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Old 07-08-2016, 09:31 PM
 
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But the problem is that Chile had a really brutal and strict dictatorship, I know so did Argentina and Brazil, but Chile's dictatorship still rules in the form of law. It's shadow still haunts the political system there. Argentina threw out the junta and is much more democratic. The closest I can think of to get someone to picture it is kind of like South Korea.
I do remember from graduate school that Chilean society was VERY divided regarding the support for the dictatorship. There is a large portion of people who still to this day support Pinochet and the actions taken then.

Can this possibly be attributed to rule of law, decreased corruption and economic stability and growth in the country? I never researched the details further.
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Old 07-08-2016, 09:37 PM
 
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I do remember from graduate school that Chilean society was VERY divided regarding the support for the dictatorship. There is a large portion of people who still to this day support Pinochet and the actions taken then.

Can this possibly be attributed to rule of law, decreased corruption and economic stability and growth in the country? I never researched the details further.
Yes, many attribute the success of the country to the dictatorship but I think it came from strictness imposed by the dictatorship toward a low tolerance on corruption. As in, it really disciplined Chile into getting it's act together. The government there still has vestiges left over from the dictatorship and it is evident in the constitution established after Pinochet's exit. He left a piece of himself in that new government and not even the left of center governments want to undue that. It's a very strict Republic. Argentina to me is more democratic and trying to instill democratic socialist ideals at any cost.
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Old 07-09-2016, 07:18 AM
 
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Please stay out of this thread.
Why? Truth hurt?
Anyhow. All of South America is is run by rich elitists that get away with anything they want. The Rest are poor. Very poor. Ive bid on a lot of projects there in many countries and didnt get a single one. Mainly because I wouldnt either pay the bribe or bring in a "Partner" who wanted 30% of the total job cost whether I made anything or not. The only projects I can get are my own.

South America in general has a serious problem right now. The elitists and governments have figured out how to tax everyone and in debt them. 15- 20 years ago the average person had little or no debt. Today they are indebted up to their eyeballs and will never get out of it. A typical apartment in the city will set you back more than the typical house in the USA yet the people make 1/4 of what the average American makes. SO they double and triple and quadruple up on the mortgages to be able to buy their poorly built apartment thats going to just fall down in the next big quake in the area.
The governments have used the profits from the loans to build pricey infrastructure that has beniited the rich only.
There is a huge, huge bubble in real estate that will eventually drop these countries back down into slavery for the poor and middle class and all that property will be bought at pennies on the dollar by the rich.
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Old 07-09-2016, 12:12 PM
 
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I do remember from graduate school that Chilean society was VERY divided regarding the support for the dictatorship. There is a large portion of people who still to this day support Pinochet and the actions taken then.

Can this possibly be attributed to rule of law, decreased corruption and economic stability and growth in the country? I never researched the details further.


Like in the U.S.A., some loved Lincoln and some hated Lincoln at the time.


Lincoln saved the Union at all cost.......and Pinochet saved Chile from Communism at all cost. That's up to the Chileans to decide and debate.
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Old 07-09-2016, 12:20 PM
 
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Like in the U.S.A., some loved Lincoln and some hated Lincoln at the time.


Lincoln saved the Union at all cost.......and Pinochet saved Chile from Communism at all cost. That's up to the Chileans to decide and debate.
Yes, but half of Chile would say that cost which was human lives and the destruction of their democracy was not worth it. It's a very very complicated debate.
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Old 07-09-2016, 01:49 PM
 
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Only the countries with a temperate and/or subtropical climate with at least a decent amount of annual rainfall have a shot at becoming a 1st world nation.

This is mainly due to the requirements of food production to fuel the human capital required to build a robust economic infrastructure.

The only other model out there is to try to be another Singapore and rely heavily on foreign investment.

The Latin American countries that straddle the equator, a.k.a the poverty belt, will likely remain mired in economic dysfunction, at least until the next great climate change shifts the world in their favor.

With that being said, Chile, Argentina and Brazil's subtropical southern region have the best chance right now primarily due to their current climate.
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Old 07-09-2016, 02:00 PM
 
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Only the countries with a temperate and/or subtropical climate with at least a decent amount of annual rainfall have a shot at becoming a 1st world nation.

This is mainly due to the requirements of food production to fuel the human capital required to build a robust economic infrastructure.
You do realize that Peru is enroute to become a top 10 world agricultural producer and the northern South American countries on the Andes have climates similar to that of coastal western Europe in places due to altitude.

In fact the Andean plateau that surrounds Bogota is the size of Switzerland and is classified as a Cfb climate by the Köppen–Geiger climate classification system. Same as much of France, the UK and the Benelux countries due to similar yearly average temperatures, rainfall and humidity.

Practically every crop known to man in the world can be grown on the Andes.
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Old 07-09-2016, 02:25 PM
 
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You do realize that Peru is enroute to become a top 10 world agricultural producer and the northern South American countries on the Andes have climates similar to that of coastal western Europe in places due to altitude.

In fact the Andean plateau that surrounds Bogota is the size of Switzerland and is classified as a Cfb climate by the Köppen–Geiger climate classification system. Same as much of France, the UK and the Benelux countries due to similar yearly average temperatures, rainfall and humidity.

Practically every crop known to man in the world can be grown on the Andes.
Yes, some of the areas at high elevation would escape most of the disadvantages of being on the equator. What you would end up with is partial 1st-world nations where those regions with the most productive farmland have a decent level of development, but the other parts of the country remain 3rd-world.
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Old 07-09-2016, 03:17 PM
 
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Yes, some of the areas at high elevation would escape most of the disadvantages of being on the equator. What you would end up with is partial 1st-world nations where those regions with the most productive farmland have a decent level of development, but the other parts of the country remain 3rd-world.
Well assuming your analysis is correct, lucky that 70% and 55% of Colombia's and Ecuador's population respectively, is in the Andes.

These areas may be able to subsidise less well off regions as happens in developed countries across the world. Also the "3rd world" areas can exploit tourism, offshore energy, solar, tropical produce, fishing, livestock, ports, services and even financials, contributing to the economy in different ways.

In the end you only need one region that can feed the entire country.
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Old 07-09-2016, 03:51 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Right now is Argentina.

The rest of the countries are going backwards, Chile included.
This. Way back sometime around the middle of the last century, Argentina was well on its way to first-world status, I recall reading somewhere. It could do it again. Non-interference in politics by a certain dominant regional power would be helpful in that regard.
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