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It's always been like that in Spain. They even call all Latino immigrants "sudamericanos" even if they come from Mexico or Dominican republic.. Well some use "sudaca" but that's a slur.
Madrid has many neighborhoods full of immigrants. I believe many neighborhoods in the Southern part of the city are full of immigrants. There are places where everybody on the street looks like an immigrant.
The funny thing though is that violent crime there hasn't really escalated even though they tend to be poor and unemployment in Spain is like 26%. Most criminals tend to be Eastern European and gypsies who probably got there by car. Well gypsies are something else, they have a culture that gives some of their youth little options.
The thing is that if we want to emigrate you would need to at least have enough money to buy an airplane ticket to Mexico or Spain. In Mexico and Central America all you need is a bus ride to the border. So the very poor south Americans cannot emigrate to the US or Europe.
Excessive violent crime is not a product of poverty, it is a product of drug trafficking and gang affiliation.
It's always been like that in Spain. They even call all Latino immigrants "sudamericanos" even if they come from Mexico or Dominican republic.. Well some use "sudaca" but that's a slur.
Madrid has many neighborhoods full of immigrants. I believe many neighborhoods in the Southern part of the city are full of immigrants. There are places where everybody on the street looks like an immigrant.
The funny thing though is that violent crime there hasn't really escalated even though they tend to be poor and unemployment in Spain is like 26%. Most criminals tend to be Eastern European and gypsies who probably got there by car. Well gypsies are something else, they have a culture that gives some of their youth little options.
The thing is that if we want to emigrate you would need to at least have enough money to buy an airplane ticket to Mexico or Spain. In Mexico and Central America all you need is a bus ride to the border. So the very poor south Americans cannot emigrate to the US or Europe.
But we are talking about I don't know... 2 millions of people?? Spain doesn't replace south America immigration to USA. Brazil or Argentina each one have more others south Americans than Spain.
lol south america if you're a middle class person is paradise!!!
middle class people in south america often have maids, owning a home doesn't cost hundredths of thousands like in the US or Europe.... plenty of holidays, cost of living is cheap
maids? not that often. I live in a typical middle class hood in the outskirts of Bogota, and most people don't have maids.
we have more holidays than most countries, but also less vacation days than most countries. And the average Latin American worker works many more hours/year than the average European.
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In the other hand Argentina, Brazil and Chile (in this order) received and receive millions of poor Bolivians, Paraguayans, Peruvians, Ecuadorians and Colombians (this last many refugees in the past) it mitigated the immigration of South Americans to USA.
"Millions"? Summed up, all of these nationalities don't make for more than 100.000 people in Brazil. There were only 5000 Colombian residents in Brazil according to the last census. There were more Paraguayans, Peruvians, Cubans, Uruguayans, Chileans, Venezuelans or Argentinians than Colombians, according to that census.
the vast majority of Colombian emigrants opte for the USA, Venezuela (in the past), Spain or even the UK. There are way more Colombian refugees in Ecuador than in Brazil, and it's obvious, because of geographical reasons. There are much more Colombians (non refugees) in Panama or Ecuador than in Chile or Argentina. The Colombian community in Brazil and Argentina is rather small and is still mainly composed by students, even if emigration to these countries has increased (especially to Argentina).
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But we are talking about I don't know... 2 millions of people?? Spain doesn't replace south America immigration to USA. Brazil or Argentina each one have more others south Americans than Spain.
Brazil? not at all. Argentina has mostly Bolivians and Paraguayans, Spain has a big community of pretty much every South American country.
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I don't think that "poors don't have the means to emigrate to far away countries" is true. A lot of Asians from relatively poor countries emigrate to the US or Canada, a lot of Subsaharan Africans or Syrians emigrate to Europe. There's many ways for these people to find the means to get there. They can sell their properties at home, they can get loans from their family already living in these countries, etc. South American countries aren't as poor that people wouldn't be able to gather 1000 or 2000 USD, one way or the other. El Salvador or Honduras are still far from the US (you have to cross all of Mexico, which is not an small country), and somehow these people manage to finance the trip.
It's far to difficult to traverse Panama's lowlands. You cannot walk or drive across it. This inhibits poor migrants who cannot cannot afford boat rides or plane tickets.
Contrast that with Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, etc. It's a tough, but simple land journey into the United States, where the border is wide open in many desolate areas, with scant security.
From where I am in Canada, it is a two day drive to get to Brownsville Texas. Guatemala is actually much closer to Texas. For Central Americans travelling up the gulf coast of Mexico, it doesn't take long to get to the Border with the US. The trek to California is further and much more treacherous.
Excessive violent crime is not a product of poverty, it is a product of drug trafficking and gang affiliation.
I think Spain is #1 in cocaine consumption so that doesn't explain anything. Drugs are everywhere there because they get a lot of tourism from other wealthy nations.
But we are talking about I don't know... 2 millions of people?? Spain doesn't replace south America immigration to USA. Brazil or Argentina each one have more others south Americans than Spain.
Well but many move to the big cities and to add immigrants from Africa, Asian countries and Eastern Europeans and those immigrants add up. Some districts in Madrid are almost 30% immigrants. That's a lot of immigrants living in one area.
Regardless how people see it, The USA has more violent crime than Spain, even in places where the immigrant population is high. Spain is much poorer and has 4 to 5 times more unemployment than the US.
I don't think that "poors don't have the means to emigrate to far away countries" is true.A lot of Asians from relatively poor countries emigrate to the US or Canada, a lot of Subsaharan Africans or Syrians emigrate to Europe. There's many ways for these people to find the means to get there. They can sell their properties at home, they can get loans from their family already living in these countries, etc. South American countries aren't as poor that people wouldn't be able to gather 1000 or 2000 USD, one way or the other. El Salvador or Honduras are still far from the US (you have to cross all of Mexico, which is not an small country), and somehow these people manage to finance the trip.
Quite a few of those people enter under Asylee or Refugee status. Cubans can get this special treatment too.
People from Central America get loans to make the difficult treck north, or get money sent from relatives who are already in the US.
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