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Old 11-30-2016, 06:14 AM
 
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I connected with City-Data in Cuba, not blocked. Problem is speed, at least a few months ago. 48K, in takes several minutes to load a page and price is exhorbitant. Now they have wifi in some areas, but paid wifi I believe and slow and censored. There are a zillion blocked websites.

There's a "Cuban Internet", impossible to access form outside, in the past you could access some Spanish pages..but I believe they blocked them.
That's communism working. People from all over the world have been rushing into Cuba for decades because the quality of life was so outstanding and there was so much personal freedom. Just ask GM10.
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Old 12-06-2016, 11:36 AM
 
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They aren't rejoicing they consider Castro the father of their country. You don't really have a good idea of what Cubans in Cuba think do you? Castro is credited with bringing national pride to the masses along with healthcare and education.


1. Cubans were always a fiercely proud people, so they didn't need Castro for that.


2. Cuba has two distinct healthcare systems. One of the best in the world for the elites and those with US dollars. And another with frustrated staff, filth, overflowing toilets and no drugs or working equipment.




In fact many will argue that Cuba of 2016 is just a poorer version of what it was in 1959, albeit with well educated, though quite impoverished and frustrated people. A small and selfish elite and the masses forced to survive however they can.
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Old 12-06-2016, 11:39 AM
 
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People who view Obama's government positively are in denial of its atrocities. If you walk on the streets of Detroit and see all the beggers, poverty, and inequality there, you will see how Obama failed his people.


Detroit is a failed city. Havana is the capital and yet we see the same.
Do you get the drift?


Now compare NYC with Havana!
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Old 12-06-2016, 11:41 AM
 
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In 1959, Cuba was richer than Canada and twice the GNP of Spain, a nation that had a tremendous problem with illegal immigration from Spain.


This is a lie as laughable as those who claim that Cuba in 2016 is paradise.


Cuba was poorer than the USA, Canada and Argentina. The fact that it was better off than the rest says more about the poverty of Latin America and the Caribbean than it does about Cubas success.


Much of Cuba's development was in Havana and other urban areas. The rural areas were quite backward as were any in the rest of the Caribbean.
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Old 12-06-2016, 11:45 AM
 
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Cuba is living proof that comminism works and the citizens are happy. That's why America hates it.


Really. So why aren't hordes of Mexicans, Jamaicans and Haitians rushing to go live there. Several years ago some Haitians landed in Cuba while trying to get to the Bahamas. That was about the only time that Haitians voluntarily returned to Haiti.
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Old 12-06-2016, 11:46 AM
 
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I myself prefer democratic socialism the most. But I am defending communism in places that it worked and is actually doing better than other countries in the respective region like Cuba in comparison to the other poor nations in central America.


Do you live in a communist country? Or a capitalist one?
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Old 12-06-2016, 03:39 PM
 
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I really really wanted to attend the Castro funeral wearing my Che Tshirt:

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Old 12-06-2016, 03:43 PM
 
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I connected with City-Data in Cuba, not blocked. Problem is speed, at least a few months ago. 48K, in takes several minutes to load a page and price is exhorbitant. Now they have wifi in some areas, but paid wifi I believe and slow and censored. There are a zillion blocked websites.

There's a "Cuban Internet", impossible to access form outside, in the past you could access some Spanish pages..but I believe they blocked them.
On that topic - I had citydata blocked in China, Peoples Republic Of on one business trip (i.e. The Great Firewall of China), but then it opened up on my next trip. I like to run tests - entering "Free Tibet" may get me in once, then it gets blocked when I refresh.
In Cuba it probably works like PRC - the well-off get VPN so they can get around the censors.
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Old 12-07-2016, 05:05 AM
 
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On that topic - I had citydata blocked in China, Peoples Republic Of on one business trip (i.e. The Great Firewall of China), but then it opened up on my next trip. I like to run tests - entering "Free Tibet" may get me in once, then it gets blocked when I refresh.
In Cuba it probably works like PRC - the well-off get VPN so they can get around the censors.

The problem is not being blocked or not, but speed... Imagine loading city data at 48K with a very old computer..and paying from five to seven dollars or more. There are wifi areas now, but I guess they are also very slow. Yes, just like China....I guess that more like Tibet. Two "Internets", hundreds of blocked pages. Yes, VPN services work, people use other gimmicks that are rapidly blocked.

I would not connect with some dissident web from Cuba, I bet "they have ways" to found out who you are.
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Old 12-07-2016, 05:20 AM
 
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1. Cubans were always a fiercely proud people, so they didn't need Castro for that.


2. Cuba has two distinct healthcare systems. One of the best in the world for the elites and those with US dollars. And another with frustrated staff, filth, overflowing toilets and no drugs or working equipment.




In fact many will argue that Cuba of 2016 is just a poorer version of what it was in 1959, albeit with well educated, though quite impoverished and frustrated people. A small and selfish elite and the masses forced to survive however they can.

I repeat, Cuba's GNP IN 1959 was double that of Spain and higher than Canada. Argentina and Venezuela were richer. Cuba might be in the Caribbean, but the country des not have anything in common with "Caribbean" countries like yours. Talk about your identity, but don't do like Castro trying to create false communities.

You always repeat propaganda from both sides. Cuban health systems for elites is also awful (I was at Cira Garcia, Cuba's best hospital allocated to foreigners and diplomats and it was a disaster). Cuban people are not well educated because the educational system collapsed in 1992. Most people write with awful spelling errors, even doctors, and the famous doctors are on the same level than western nurses.

There's a large concentration camp for Haitians in Maisi, eastern Cuba. I have seen it.
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