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Old 11-27-2016, 12:37 PM
 
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Look around you. All the college aged clueless dopes with Che t-shirts. Look at the comments right here on C-D boasting of Fidel's virtues. It's fueled by reality.
A few kids wearing Che t-shirts has nothing to do with what's being taught in university classrooms. People pointing out that La Revolucion at least managed to educate the populace and provide universal health care has nothing to do with university curricula. There is no connection in reality; it's all in your mind.

Think about it; how would university students even hear about Che or Fidel? Less than 1% of university students ever take a class in Latin American Studies. Their programs have nothing to do with anything remotely related to that. And as Ariete said, even those who do take a class in L-A Studies, they won't get an instructor who would portray those people in a positive light. Students interested in a pro-revolutionary slant would have to seek out the 2 or 3 individual profs who would be into that. They exist, but they're a tiny minority.
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Old 11-27-2016, 12:52 PM
 
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Some kids wearing Che t-shirts has nothing to do with what's being taught in university classrooms. People pointing out that La Revolucion at least managed to educate the populace and provide universal health care has nothing to do with university curricula. There is no connection in reality; it's all in your mind.
The romanticization of Castro is very real in academia. Where's the mention of the thousands of people he murdered?

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.ny...-cuba.amp.html

It's not imaginary.


Professors enthusiastically tout socialism over capitalism. Of course Sanders has the youth vote. - The College Fix
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Old 11-27-2016, 12:57 PM
 
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Well, at least Castro was better than Batista.
Now, now, now! Not if you were a Yank - especially a Mafia one - Gen. Batista was one of Washington's pet dictators. And in return he let his American friends have the run of the candy store.

This is Return2FL's man, General Batista from Wikipedia. Pay close attention to the years 1952 -59

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/09/c...sinos-batista/
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Old 11-27-2016, 01:41 PM
 
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Now, now, now! Not if you were a Yank - especially a Mafia one - Gen. Batista was one of Washington's pet dictators. And in return he let his American friends have the run of the candy store.

This is Return2FL's man, General Batista from Wikipedia. Pay close attention to the years 1952 -59

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/09/c...sinos-batista/
Yeah sure. My man. Lol

Batista was bad, therefore Castro was good. Only the socialist mind because under Castro everybody was poor, not just 20% of the population.
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Old 11-27-2016, 02:51 PM
 
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The romanticization of Castro is very real in academia. Where's the mention of the thousands of people he murdered?

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.ny...-cuba.amp.html

It's not imaginary.


Professors enthusiastically tout socialism over capitalism. Of course Sanders has the youth vote. - The College Fix
The NY Times has limited space for publishing letters to the editor. They get dozens, sometimes upwards of 100, of comments on their topics, and only have room to publish 3-4 letters daily. Did you even read the letters at your link? They're not as positive as you seem to think.


The College Fix is on the level of a tabloid. According to the snopes de-bunking site, it routinely posts articles like "College students overwhelmingly approve of post-birth abortions". It's a great source of disinformation.

Your so-called "news sources" aside, let me tell you about academia. You sound like someone who's very isolated from the college experience. Do you not have children, grandchildren, or nieces/nephews who got higher education?

Firstly, let me reinterate that the vast majority of students go to college without ever taking a class in any department where the Cuban Revolution, Marxism, Leninism or Maoism would ever be mentioned. If you stop a moment to think rationally, you'd realize that most students study STEM, literature, the arts, languages, social work, psychology, anthropology, biology, atmospheric sciences, oceanography, forestry, philosophy, and so on. Tell me, where would a textbook on Marxism or a lecture about Che fit in there?

Secondly, the courses where anything of that nature would be studied--Russian and East European Studies, say--an excellent example--are taught from the opposite perspective than you think. These are programs that train students for government work, including various security services. The NSA and CIA recruit from these programs. I, myself, was a candidate for NSA employment. If I'd accepted their job offer, your national security would be in part in my hands.


Thirdly: I worked in academia for 15 years. I saw the textbooks and other course materials used in what you might expect to be "political" courses and departments: Ethnic Studies, Latin American Studies, and the like. I knew the faculty in those departments, and knew about the controversies, if there were any. Faculty who leaned to the far left were in the closet. They were keenly aware that that sort of thing was not approved of. In any case, they were a small handful of people on large campuses--a half-dozen individuals, if that. They didn't teach Marx, etc. There's too much to Latin American history or contemporary affairs (and those other fields) to be able to spend part of the semester studying Marx. I actually audited AA Studies, Chicano Studies, Native American Studies courses, and there was none of that in there. Not a hint. Nada.

And btw, political economics courses have always taught (until recently, apparently, since conservative US economists have been favoring policies for the rich) that huge disparities between rich and poor destabilize societies and countries, opening the door for far-left parties to gain influence and a power base. The classic example, of course, was various Latin American countries. Students were taught that a strong middle class is the foundation of a politically stable society. Universities are a lot more conservative than you think. And it's not "the left" in the US that's hell-bent on widening the gap between rich and poor. Think about that.


P.S. Did you vote for Trump? He's pro-exKGB agent Putin; you know that, right?

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Old 11-27-2016, 02:57 PM
 
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It's possible to say that Castro was better than Bautista just because he may have done things better or less bad than Batista, but the same can be said that Stalin did some things better than the Czars or that Hitler was better than the Kaiser in some ways.
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Old 11-27-2016, 03:36 PM
 
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The NY Times has limited space for publishing letters to the editor. They get dozens, sometimes upwards of 100, of comments on their topics, and only have room to publish 3-4 letters daily. Did you even read the letters at your link? They're not as positive as you seem to think.


The College Fix is on the level of a tabloid. According to the snopes de-bunking site, it routinely posts articles like "College students overwhelmingly approve of post-birth abortions". It's a great source of disinformation.

Your so-called "news sources" aside, let me tell you about academia. You sound like someone who's very isolated from the college experience. Do you not have children, grandchildren, or nieces/nephews who got higher education?

Firstly, let me reinterate that the vast majority of students go to college without ever taking a class in any department where the Cuban Revolution, Marxism, Leninism or Maoism would ever be mentioned. If you stop a moment to think rationally, you'd realize that most students study STEM, literature, the arts, languages, social work, psychology, anthropology, biology, atmospheric sciences, oceanography, forestry, philosophy, and so on. Tell me, where would a textbook on Marxism or a lecture about Che fit in there?

Secondly, the courses where anything of that nature would be studied--Russian and East European Studies, say--an excellent example--are taught from the opposite perspective than you think. These are programs that train students for government work, including various security services. The NSA and CIA recruit from these programs. I, myself, was a candidate for NSA employment. If I'd accepted their job offer, your national security would be in part in my hands.


Thirdly: I worked in academia for 15 years. I saw the textbooks and other course materials used in what you might expect to be "political" courses and departments: Ethnic Studies, Latin American Studies, and the like. I knew the faculty in those departments, and knew about the controversies, if there were any. Faculty who leaned to the far left were in the closet. They were keenly aware that that sort of thing was not approved of. In any case, they were a small handful of people on large campuses--a half-dozen individuals, if that. They didn't teach Marx, etc. There's too much to Latin American history or contemporary affairs (and those other fields) to be able to spend part of the semester studying Marx. I actually audited AA Studies, Chicano Studies, Native American Studies courses, and there was none of that in there. Not a hint. Nada.

And btw, political economics courses have always taught (until recently, apparently, since conservative US economists have been favoring policies for the rich) that huge disparities between rich and poor destabilize societies and countries, opening the door for far-left parties to gain influence and a power base. The classic example, of course, was various Latin American countries. Students were taught that a strong middle class is the foundation of a politically stable society. Universities are a lot more conservative than you think. And it's not "the left" in the US that's hell-bent on widening the gap between rich and poor. Think about that.


P.S. Did you vote for Trump? He's pro-exKGB agent Putin; you know that, right?
The fact that you worked in academia proves my point to a T.

No, I did not vote for Trump. I'm an advocate of freedom, both social and fiscal.
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Old 11-27-2016, 05:08 PM
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The fact that you worked in academia proves my point to a T.

No, I did not vote for Trump. I'm an advocate of freedom, both social and fiscal.
Only in your mind. You're operating from a belief system based on that statement with little regard for facts.

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Old 11-27-2016, 05:44 PM
 
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The fact that you worked in academia proves my point to a T.
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Right, because teaching foreign languages and doing admin work is very radical stuff, right? Really proves your point. Way to go. Home run.
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Old 11-27-2016, 05:58 PM
 
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Only in your mind. You're operating from a belief system based on that statement with little regard for facts.
I have little regard for facts. It's all a figment of my imagination.

Professors are overwhelmingly liberal. Do universities need to change hiring practices? - LA Times

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At the time of our study, a fifth of all American adults described themselves as liberal. Simmons and I found that about half of the faculty did. Even among professors who chose the label moderate, liberal political opinions were quite common, especially on social issues such as gender equality and gay rights. Only 14% of professors in our survey identified as Republican. Academia isn’t teeming with radicals, but it is one of the most liberal occupations in the U.S.
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