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Old 02-19-2017, 09:04 AM
 
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I thought about wearing the historical uniform of Simon Bolivar with side burns for events in Colombia and Venezuela. Would that be in bad taste over there? In the US no one would think that dressing up as George Washington would be in bad taste.
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Old 02-19-2017, 10:43 AM
 
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In Colombia no one would care.... You'll get the same reaction you might get in America if you were to dress as Washington.

In Venezuela however, since they are going through a "Bolivarian revolution". LOL! You might get some chavista freaking out or some idiotic ultra nationalistic provincial Venezuelan schooling you on how great Bolivar is!!! And how you're disrespecting their national father and blah blah blah!!

Venezuelans on average tend to be more nationalistic and parochial than Colombians. I find Colombians to be more cosmopolitan (perhaps because of their history in which they have had to migrate around the world), while Venezuelans have never really done it, they just stay in Venezuela, though that has changed recently)

While Colombians see Bolivar as ONE of the founding fathers of the country, his figure remains controversial, especially when compared to Colombia's own Francisco de Paula Santander.... Colombians are highly regionalistic and rather see themselves as part of their region way before they see themselves as Colombians. Sort of like Spaniards or Belgians! That allows them to be more critical of each other and more open minded.

Venezuelans on the other hand are strongly brainwashed since early school to worship Bolivar... They name everything Bolivar. There are over 150 towns named Bolivar in Venezuela, They have a Bolivar state, countless Bolivar avenue/streets, their currency is called Bolivar, The Venezuelan main squares are always called Plaza Bolivar by law, the official name of the country is BOLIVARIAN republic of Venezuela.

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Old 02-19-2017, 11:05 AM
 
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what kind of events?

unless it's a Halloween party or something like that you will of course look ridiculous.
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Old 02-19-2017, 12:37 PM
 
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what kind of events?

unless it's a Halloween party or something like that you will of course look ridiculous.
looking ridiculous or not is not the question

the question is will colombians get offended? the answer is no. No one will really care.
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Old 02-19-2017, 01:18 PM
 
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Agreed Colombians wouldn't mind. In Venezuela Bolivar was hijacked to represent some kind of socialist lefty when in fact Bolivar was all about free market centralism that looked up to the US. There will be some wackos in Venezuela that take offense.

BTW - People from the south of Colombia HATE Bolivar because of the massacre of the "Pasto nation" that was loyalist. Bolivar also wrote many disparaging remarks about the "Pastos" and to this day there are a lot of pastuso jokes in popular culture. However, even there people won't care, you may get approached to explain this story though.
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Old 02-20-2017, 09:08 PM
 
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In the following video towards the end (minute 2:50) you can see the people from Pasto dissing Bolivar...

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Old 02-21-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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Interesting replies. I have always wondered what the differences between Colombia and Venezuela were. I am surprised to hear that Pasto and Nariño were loyalist since they seem to be descendants of Incas mostly. I would have thought they would have been more keen on liberation from the Spanish Crown since the Spanish were rather cruel with the natives.
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Old 02-21-2017, 03:57 PM
 
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Interesting replies. I have always wondered what the differences between Colombia and Venezuela were. I am surprised to hear that Pasto and Nariño were loyalist since they seem to be descendants of Incas mostly. I would have thought they would have been more keen on liberation from the Spanish Crown since the Spanish were rather cruel with the natives.
Actually they're not descendants, there were massive wars between the Pastos and the Incas. The Incas only set foot in Colombia for a very short period because the Pastos (a Chibcha warrior people) drove them out. Many don't know this but after the Incan and Meso-American cultures the Chibchas of Costa Rica and Colombia (i.e. Tayrona in Santa Marta, Muiscas in Bogota/Boyaca and Pastos in Nariño) were the 3rd most advanced society in the Americas.

Only a very tiny settlement of Inca settlers remained around Sibundoy and La Cocha lake where there is a small community of Quechua speakers.

The Pastos...


Museo del Oro Nariño by Banco de la República - Colombia, on Flickr
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Old 02-21-2017, 05:59 PM
 
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Interesting. I would like to learn more about he indigenous culture and history of Colombia, also about the current remaining groups. Can anyone recommend some good websites or youtube videos?
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Old 02-21-2017, 06:46 PM
 
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Interesting. I would like to learn more about he indigenous culture and history of Colombia, also about the current remaining groups. Can anyone recommend some good websites or youtube videos?
You can pretty find most of the info on wikipedia, you just need the names. The 12 ethnicities of native people of Colombia are:

1.Chibcha
2. Arawak
3. Barbacoa
4. Chocó
5. Carib
6. Guahibo
7. Tucano
8. Ticuna
9. Bora-witoto
10. Makú
11. Sáliba
12. Quillacinga

From these ethnicities you get a lot of different "nations" i.e. the Tayrona of Santa Marta (capital: Teyuna) and the Muisca of Bogota/Boyaca (capitals: Bacata and Hunza) are two different civilizations but they are both under the Chibchan ethnicity.

Here's a map of some of the different peoples...


Source: https://www.emaze.com/@AWWFCFOI/indigenas
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