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Old 07-07-2017, 08:46 PM
 
Location: NYntarctica
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From what I heard Venezuela just three everything they had into oil and did not produce things like food or daily necessities, instead importing everything from abroad. This is a pretty bad idea and would explain why they have shortages of everything now. In comparison Colombia produces many things themselves which is why people have food on the table and there is toilet paper on the shelves
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Old 07-07-2017, 09:38 PM
 
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Sad. Why couldn't they copy Norway? Isn't their social spending dependent heavily on oil too?
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Old 07-08-2017, 03:41 PM
 
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Sad. Why couldn't they copy Norway? Isn't their social spending dependent heavily on oil too?
Norway wasn't trying to export socialist revolution to other countries.

Also there are limits to worrying about other people. Venezuela should have worried about their own economic development. They did not, and they chose leaders with no education that weren't fit to run a farm, much less a country. And this is how well it worked out for people in Venezuela. Do not chose stupid leaders and a country won't end up like this.

Anyone who had a good education in Venezuela was demonized, but these are the people who can take their money and leave the country. So as things get worse you end up with country with no professional class, including no doctors, teachers, professors, lawyers, scientists, engineers, etc. The ultimately brain drain, and as it gets worse everyone else tries to leave.
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Old 07-08-2017, 05:59 PM
 
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B...b...but, I thought that Western Europe and the US were the only places in the world that were forced to house refugees Are you telling us that this was a lie?!
Who ever said that??
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Old 07-09-2017, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Norway wasn't trying to export socialist revolution to other countries.

Also there are limits to worrying about other people. Venezuela should have worried about their own economic development. They did not, and they chose leaders with no education that weren't fit to run a farm, much less a country. And this is how well it worked out for people in Venezuela. Do not chose stupid leaders and a country won't end up like this.

Anyone who had a good education in Venezuela was demonized, but these are the people who can take their money and leave the country. So as things get worse you end up with country with no professional class, including no doctors, teachers, professors, lawyers, scientists, engineers, etc. The ultimately brain drain, and as it gets worse everyone else tries to leave.
The latter group are needed to rebuild Venezuelan society. Unfortunately, they won't be returning anytime soon.
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Old 07-09-2017, 03:28 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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The latter group are needed to rebuild Venezuelan society. Unfortunately, they won't be returning anytime soon.
Don't be so sure. One of the few silver linings of the recent upheaval is a new fervent sense of pride and many people dream to return to Venezuela to rebuild their country.

When that would be is the million dollar question.
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Old 07-09-2017, 03:31 PM
 
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Don't be so sure. One of the few silver linings of the recent upheaval is a new fervent sense of pride and many people dream to return to Venezuela to rebuild their country.

When that would be is the million dollar question.
It's gonna get worse before it gets better, but once this awful government is overthrown the road back to stability can begin.
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Old 07-09-2017, 03:39 PM
 
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Don't be so sure. One of the few silver linings of the recent upheaval is a new fervent sense of pride and many people dream to return to Venezuela to rebuild their country.

When that would be is the million dollar question.
The current regime would have to collapse and be replaced first. Replaced by a sensible regime with educated leaders.
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Old 07-09-2017, 03:40 PM
 
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It's gonna get worse before it gets better, but once this awful government is overthrown the road back to stability can begin.
That's the problem. When is the once? If it's comparatively soon, the rebuilding can begin soon. Or it could be decades away.

I think from the way things are going it won't take too long. But I could be wrong.
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Old 07-09-2017, 04:08 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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It's gonna get worse before it gets better, but once this awful government is overthrown the road back to stability can begin.
It can definitely get much worse as although things are desperate, most people still go about their daily lives, although a line in the supermarket takes up at least 2 hours of that daily life.

I'm honestly concerned how this can detrimentally affect Colombia, not so much for Maduro's constant intents at aggression, even military aggression, towards Colombia, but more for the stretched resources and conflicts in the working classes at all levels from employment to accommodation to crime.
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