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In what year(s) did France send a black woman to miss universe?
Also Colombia has also had a "black" president.
Personally I would say there are pros and cons to both the US racial construct and the Colombian or Brazil one. I think the DR experience is pretty unique as unlike Brazil or Colombia they did try to deny their African heritage by using the term 'indio' to describe themselves for a time. In Colombia at least this never happened and actually the majority actually really felt Africa - more so than most nations in the entire America's I would say.
France has had black Miss France in 2000, 2009, 2014 and 2017. Tell us about a black Colombian president who was DEMOCRATICALLY elected in the 20th century, therefore representing the will of the people.
The 2005 Colombia census indicates that 75% of those identifying in categories that the government considered to be "Afro descendant" earned less than the minimum wage. This includes those who self identify in assorted "mixed race" categories.
Brazil and Colombia are not racial Paradises but USA was in the same level of the brutal apartheid in South África.
And what happened since? Why no ELECTED black presidents in Brazil since then? Your Wikipedia link shows that the man was ashamed to be black and his descendants denied any black ancestry. Your point? In fact looking at his last picture I can see why the family tried to hide this part African ancestry.
Try someone looking like Barack Obama next time you try hat stunt?
It was funny that countries like France sent visibly black contestants to Miss Universe before countries like Brazil, the DR, Venezuela and Colombia did. And France isn't a paragon of racial virtue, unless one is a black American intellectual.
Wrong. Brazil even sent a visibly black contestant to Miss Universe even before the USA ever did. Colombia also sent a black contestant the same year France first did.
Racism exists throughout the Americas but the racial experience in the US of brutal & LAWFUL segregation is not one LatAm experienced post mid 19th century. You have your own agenda you wish to pedal and your optic is narrow and from a fervent US perspective. Your disdain for LatAm is known throughout the Americas forum.
And what happened since? Why no ELECTED black presidents in Brazil since then? Your Wikipedia link shows that the man was ashamed to be black and his descendants denied any black ancestry. Your point? In fact looking at his last picture I can see why the family tried to hide this part African ancestry.
Try someone looking like Barack Obama next time you try hat stunt?
Friend, undestand my point, racist people there are in Brazil and in the past was much worse, but Nilo Peçanha was elected governor of Rio De Janeiro, Senator and was President only 10 years after the slavery in Brazil was abolished.
Conclusion: - 1 The Brazilian law never treated black people as second class people with limited rights 2 – Most Brazilian were not racist since that time because he got such number of millions votes when 80% of the country was white.
In this same time, in the USA, black and white people could not drink water in the same tap, and just 100 years after you had Obama (50% White as Nilo Peçanha).
Uh....Yaritza Reyes won Miss Dominican Republic in 2013.
Hell...Ecuador had two black Latinas win Miss Ecuador(Monica Chala in 1996 and Lady Mina in 2009.)
I agree that many Latin American countries have Eurocentric beauty standards but we can't generalize and pretend like no black women won Miss Universe in the countries mentioned.
Overall, Latin American countries are probably more comparable to the Philippines than South Africa. There's not so much a true apartheid but people do get judged based on their looks rooted in the caste system as well as their class/socioeconomic status.
I remember hearing a joke about the difference between white Southerners and white Northerners back in the day. The joke was that white Southerners have no issue having black neighbors but they would object to having a black boss whereas white Northerners had no issue having a black boss but they would object to having black neighbors.
I think this sort of highlights the difference between racial issues in the U.S. vs. Latin America in a nutshell. Latin American countries are more relaxed in their outlook on their black populations, provided that they "know their place" while the U.S. will elect a part black President and support certain black causes while still alienating African Americans as a "nation within a nation" if that makes sense. In the U.S., African American subculture is considered its own unique thing separate from "White American" culture whereas, in Latin America, it's all considered the same culture. You have white Uruguayans and Indigenous Peruvians playing African influenced music as part of their culture. You also have Mestizo Nicaraguans dancing to "Palo de mayo" which is an Afro-Caribbean dance that's considered a part of their culture, regardless of race. In the U.S., this would all be considered "black culture" by contrast. Also, African spirituality isn't as stigmatized in Latin American as it is in the U.S. Santeria is considered a staple of Cuban culture as opposed to "black" thing unlike the U.S. where voodoo is considered a black Louisiana trend. Also, Yoruba gods and goddesses are as romanticized in parts of Latin America such as Cuba, Brazil, Uruguay, and Venezuela as European paganism/Wicca in parts of the U.S. In these countries, there's massive festivals celebrating Yemanja and other goddesses with even Catholics/agnostics going to these festivals.
However, the U.S. is more likely to focus on issues such as the recent Starbucks fiasco in Philly and have an open discussion about it whereas, in Latin America, people are more likely to keep quiet about it and assume that it's a socioeconomic or individualized issue. Afro Latinos are expected to "know their place" so to speak and this is where the similarities to the American South begin.
Things are improving though. Haitians in Mexico are generally treated with respect, unlike the U.S. where they're about to be deported. Also, Costa Rica just elected the first black female vice president (Epsy Campbell Barr) in Latin American history and she has a pretty high approval rating. Also, Venezuela has had a black(or mulatto) Minister of Education named Luis Beltran Prieto Figueroa in the 1930's in a non-segregated environment which African Americans in the same era could only dream about.
So, it's not like Apartheid South Africa at all but the pervasive Eurocentric mentality does hinder a lot of progress for both blacks and Amerindians in the region. The U.S. isn't much different, except in the sense that there's more open dialogue and discussions about race related issues which leads to a higher probability of the said issues getting resolved(although the outcome isn't always great). That's my take.
Another factor that's missing is the trickle down effect. Although the collective purchasing power of African Americans is minute compared to that of White America it's still substantially larger than that of Latin American nations. The US has been the richest country in the world for over 100 years and has had all the resources in the world to tackle its social ills.
There's no doubt in my mind that if Latin American countries would've had those exorbitant levels of resources the US had, the racial experience in LatAm would be (perhaps not totally) but much more equal than today and definitely more progressive than the US.
Another factor that's missing is the trickle down effect. Although the collective purchasing power of African Americans is minute compared to that of White America it's still substantially larger than that of Latin American nations. The US has been the richest country in the world for over 100 years and has had all the resources in the world to tackle its social ills.
There's no doubt in my mind that if Latin American countries would've had those exorbitant levels of resources the US had, the racial experience in LatAm would be (perhaps not totally) but much more equal than today and definitely more progressive than the US.
Wrong. Brazil even sent a visibly black contestant to Miss Universe even before the USA ever did. Colombia also sent a black contestant the same year France first did.
Racism exists throughout the Americas but the racial experience in the US of brutal & LAWFUL segregation is not one LatAm experienced post mid 19th century. You have your own agenda you wish to pedal and your optic is narrow and from a fervent US perspective. Your disdain for LatAm is known throughout the Americas forum.
Poor thing. You have to drag up history from over 100 years ago. Why not discuss the USA in 2018 and Colombia and Brazil in 2018? Apparently you cannot do so as the results will not be flattering. While about 33% of black women in the USA and 23% of black men occupy professional/management roles the Colombian government indicated that in 2007 75% of "black" Colombians earned LESS than minimum wage. You know full well that this is considerably higher than for the Colombian population at large.
First black Miss Brazil was in 1986. It took 30 years for the next. The first black Miss America was in 1984. There have been 8 black women to win that title and 9 to win the Miss USA title. I think that most will claim that Brazil has a larger black/mulatto population than does the USA. Plus it boasts that it isn't racist. Even Donald Trump admits that racism still remains a problem in the USA.
Comparing Colombia with France. Hmmmm. France doesn't count by ethnic origin, so I cannot say what % is black but I doubt that its more than the 11% which the Colombia census claims self identify as some kind of Afro descendant. In addition blacks have been part of Colombia since its settlement by the Spanish. Blacks only became a large population in France in the post WWII era. So why the boast that Colombia sent its first black contestant in the same year that France did?
Make life easy for yourself. Just admit that in 2018 Latin America has huge problems of colorism towards its Afro descendant populations and is NOT in a position to point fingers even at the USA. The USA has its problems and admits to this and is dealing with it.
The world has this issue but only a few countries own it
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