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Old 05-07-2018, 06:40 AM
 
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Mexico City, a metropolis of 21 million, is now building what will be the largest airport in all of the western hemisphere,

But it is controversial for various reasons. The site chosen, is badly prone to flooding or sinking. The commercial development expected to grow around it, will disturb nearby residents. And the front-runner in the Presidential election, Lopez, is strongly opposed to the airport, and may cancel it if he is elected. He wants instead to divert some flights to a former military airfield to relieve overcrowding at the existing Benito Juarez airport.

Read the link below.

https://www.citylab.com/transportati...airport/559259
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Old 05-07-2018, 11:48 AM
 
Location: In Miami but, Inside the Resistance !!
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Whatever The D.F People decide to do, they need to get an Airport for that City OUTSIDE of densely populated areas...Right now Mexico City with all those flights on top of millions of people it's just outrageous.

A disaster in the making.

Back in 1996 in my first trip there (Already 22 years ago) I could not believe how long we took to land before we went over so much of Mexico City's CROWDED Topography.
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Old 05-08-2018, 08:41 AM
 
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Has Mexico city just one airport? The normal for big city is has one airport inner the city for domestics flights and another one bigger outside the city more for international flights.
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Old 05-08-2018, 09:05 AM
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The new airport isn't the only thing that Lopez Obrador is threating to stop or change. The guy is a Socialist along the lines of Hugo Chavez. If he wins, lets hope Mexico doesn't become Venezuela part 2. If it does, Trump's wall will come in handy to contain the mass exodus of people, as is currently happening in Colombia with Venezuelans fleeing by the thousands from Venezuela.


As for the new airport, I'm very fond of how it will look.

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Old 05-08-2018, 12:27 PM
 
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The new airport looks incredible, but it's in a bad location and there doesn't seem to be any plan to connect it with the metro.
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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The new airport isn't the only thing that Lopez Obrador is threating to stop or change. The guy is a Socialist along the lines of Hugo Chavez. If he wins, lets hope Mexico doesn't become Venezuela part 2. If it does, Trump's wall will come in handy to contain the mass exodus of people, as is currently happening in Colombia with Venezuelans fleeing by the thousands from Venezuela.


As for the new airport, I'm very fond of how it will look.

Oh dear..........Let's hope not
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Old 08-07-2018, 04:34 PM
 
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I landed in Mexico City and it does not need to necessarily connect to a metro (although it would be great) there are many buses that pick you up literally outside and drop you off in city center. The only thing is the STIFLING traffic omg
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Old 08-07-2018, 05:52 PM
 
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The construction of the Mexico City airport is estimated at US$13.3 billion which dwarfs any infrastructure project in the USA. Considering that the GDP of the USA is 17x that of Mexico , that is one big project for any nation.

The current airport has two runways, but they are very close together and can't support independent operations. One is used for landings and the other for takeoffs which is just a smidgen better than having only one runway.

The new airport will start with three completely independent runway, and have room to expand to six. The initial runway can handle up to 60 million passengers per year (about the level of Denver).


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Has Mexico city just one airport? The normal for big city is has one airport inner the city for domestics flights and another one bigger outside the city more for international flights.
There is an airport in Toluca (capital of state of Mexico) but that is 33 air miles away. The last time the new airport negotiations fell apart the LCCs went to Toluca and offered free bus rides from the Santa Fe business district. But when AeroMexico went bankrupt they moved to MEX to fill those slots.

The small inner city airport for nearby domestic flights like LGA/JFK and DCA/IAD LGB/LAX and Orly Airpor/Charles de Gaulle Airport in Paris does not work for all countries and cities.

The problem in Mexico is that MEX is not just origin and destination airport for the main urban area, it is also the primary transfer airport. There have been some transfers moved to GDL:Guadalajara and MTY : Monterrey but it is a tiny percentage. TIJ:Tijuana and CUN:Cancun are too far at the extreme edges of the country to be of any use for transfers. SJD and PTY have tourist traffic, but almost all the airports outside of those 7 are really pretty miniscule.

Mexico moves it's upper middle class in luxury buses Luxury buses are almost nonexistent in the USA The best ones have only 25 seats and lie nearly flat. In 2017 there were 82 million passenger trips in executive or luxury buses in addition to 3 billion in regular buses.

In 2017 Mexico had 45 million air passengers domestic, and 45 million air passengers international. The goal of Volaris, Interjet, and Aerobus is to try to convert more of those 82 million luxury bus passengers into air passengers.

Domestic Air Trips per capita
2.62 USA
0.63 Chile
0.44 Brazil
0.37 Mexico
0.37 Peru
0.25 Columbia

Brazil has more domestic air traffic than Mexico in both absolute and per capita terms, but they have it spread over more airports. MEX is larger than any single south American airport. A19% jump in traffic from Mexico per capita to Brazil per capita would push MEX to just below SFO

2017 statistics
  1. Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport Atlanta, Georgia United States ATL/KATL 103,902,992
  2. Los Angeles International Airport Los Angeles, California United States LAX/KLAX 84,557,968
  3. O'Hare International Airport Chicago, Illinois United States ORD/KORD 79,828,183
  4. Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas United States DFW/KDFW 67,092,194
  5. Denver International Airport Denver, Colorado United States DEN/KDEN 61,379,396
  6. John F. Kennedy International Airport Queens, New York, New York United States JFK/KJFK 59,392,500
  7. San Francisco International Airport San Mateo County, California United States SFO/KSFO 55,822,129
  8. McCarran International Airport Las Vegas, Nevada United States LAS/KLAS 48,566,803
  9. Toronto Pearson International Airport Mississauga, Ontario Canada YYZ/CYYZ 47,054,696
  10. Seattle-Tacoma International Airport SeaTac, Washington United States SEA/KSEA 46,934,194
  11. Charlotte Douglas International Airport Charlotte, North Carolina United States CLT/KCLT 45,909,899
  12. Benito Juárez International Airport Venustiano Carranza, Mexico City Mexico MEX/MMMX 44,732,418
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Old 08-08-2018, 05:09 PM
 
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The small inner city airport for nearby domestic flights like LGA/JFK and DCA/IAD LGB/LAX and Orly Airpor/Charles de Gaulle Airport in Paris does not work for all countries and cities.

The problem in Mexico is that MEX is not just origin and destination airport for the main urban area, it is also the primary transfer airport. There have been some transfers moved to GDL:Guadalajara and MTY : Monterrey but it is a tiny percentage. TIJ:Tijuana and CUN:Cancun are too far at the extreme edges of the country to be of any use for transfers. SJD and PTY have tourist traffic, but almost all the airports outside of those 7 are really pretty miniscule.
Kind of like Beijing in China - a big O/D airport AND a major transfer/connection point. And Beijing is also building a new airport to the south of the city to supplement Beijing Capital Airport today as it can't keep up with current traffic.
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Old 08-10-2018, 03:46 AM
 
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Kind of like Beijing in China - a big O/D airport AND a major transfer/connection point. And Beijing is also building a new airport to the south of the city to supplement Beijing Capital Airport today as it can't keep up with current traffic.
This idea that it is easy to build two airports is a real delusion Washington Reagan opened up on 861 acres on June 16, 1941. It was clear within a decade that the airport could not grow Congress passed the Washington Airport Act in 1950 to provide funding for a new airport in the region. Washington Dulles opened on November 17, 1962. But the new airport had the backing of the federal government. If it had been operated like any normal airport authority it would have been a disaster.

In Canada in Montreal Dorval Airport opened on September 1, 1941. On November 29, 1975, Mirabel International Airport went into service as the largest airport in the world. Montréal–Dorval was repurposed to serve domestic flights and transborder flights to the United States. It was one of the largest infrastructure disasters in the history of the Northern Hemisphere.

People are under the delusion that you can build a new airport to supplement an old one, and keep them both open. In reality that is much harder to do than you might think. Most of the time they close the old airport although there are usually calls to leave it open just for regional jets if nothing else.

The next city in the USA to face this challenge will be Las Vegas which has no interest in closing the present airport, but wants to open a second one in the Ivanpah valley.


If I am correct, a good socialist like AMLO will undoubtedly be swayed by a "people's airport" in the present location with subway access.

He will decide that the inner city airport will be hub for domestic flights (largest jet)

Volaris Airbus (A321neo 230 seats)
VivaAerobús (A321neo 240 seats)
Interjet (A321neo 192 seats)
Magnicharters
Aeromar
Aeroméxico Connect


The new airport will be for international flights

Aeroméxico Amsterdam, Bogotá, Boston, Buenos Aires–Ezeiza,Chicago–O'Hare, Detroit, Havana, Las Vegas, Lima, London–Heathrow, Los Angeles, Madrid, Medellín–JMC, Miami, Montréal–Trudeau, New York–JFK, Orlando, Panama City, Paris–Charles de Gaulle, Portland (OR), Quito, San Francisco, San José de Costa Rica, Santiago de Chile, Santo Domingo–Las Américas, São Paulo–Guarulhos, Seattle/Tacoma, Seoul–Incheon, Shanghai–Pudong, Tokyo–Narita, Toronto–Pearson, Torreón/Gómez Palacio, Tuxtla Gutierrez, Vancouver, Villahermosa, Washington–Dulles
Seasonal: Denver, Houston–Intercontinental, Sacramento, Salt Lake City, San Jose (CA)

Air Canada Vancouver
Air Canada Rouge Toronto–Pearson Seasonal: Montréal–Trudeau
Air France Paris–Charles de Gaulle
Alaska Airlines Los Angeles
Alitalia Rome–Fiumicino
All Nippon Airways Tokyo–Narita
American Airlines Charlotte, Dallas/Fort Worth, Los Angeles, Miami, Philadelphia,] Phoenix–Sky Harbor
Avianca Bogotá
Avianca El Salvador San Salvador
Avianca Peru Lima
British Airways London–Heathrow
China Southern Airlines Guangzhou1
Copa Airlines Panama City
Cubana de Aviación Havana
Delta Air Lines Atlanta, Detroit, Los Angeles, New York–JFK, Salt Lake City
Hainan Airlines Beijing-Capital2
Iberia Madrid
JetBlue Airways Boston (begins October 25, 2018),Fort Lauderdale, New York–JFK (begins October 25, 2018), Orlando
KLM Amsterdam
LATAM Brasil São Paulo-–Guarulhos
LATAM Chile Santiago de Chile
LATAM Perú Lima
Lufthansa Frankfurt, Munich
Southwest Airlines
United Airlines
Volaris Costa Rica
WestJet
Wingo
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