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Old 05-07-2018, 03:19 PM
 
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I think Mexico City has to have one of the most extensive systems. Or maybe one of the cities in Brazil. A number of Latin American countries don't have trains at all.

Which makes me think. African nations like Ethiopia and Nigeria signed contracts with the Chinese to get rail systems built. Why don't Latin American nations negotiate deals with the Chinese to help build up their infrastructure? It would help with economic development tremendously.

Either that or they need to get better at taxation.
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Old 05-07-2018, 04:02 PM
 
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Santiago is for me the best example for integrated transport among the big cities in LatAm. It's metro system surpasses cities like São Paulo which is 3 x larger. Mexico city's metro is extensive but it has to be, its a monster of a city.

Caracas was also a good example but nowadays the system doesn't even function half the time. Medellin is a great modern example especially for second tier cities, Recife is also good.

The best overall system is Santiago's.

The worst among cities close to/over a million is Mendoza's. No point in having a rail system if it only has a ridership of 7,000/day - it's a joke. A smaller city like Pereira has a BRT with a ridership of 118,000/day.

As for the chinese, it remains to be seen how those contracts pan out. Latin American governments are rightly suspicious of their vested interests. However, I do think the Chinese can play an important role in developing areas like the Pacific coast of Colombia or the transcontinental line from Brazil to the Pacific coast.
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Old 05-08-2018, 05:55 AM
 
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Sao Paulo has a 273.0 kilometres (169.6 mi) of urban rail systen that in fact, works like a surface metro systen. The urban trains is totally linked with the 89.8 km (55.8 mi) of Metro systen (underground).

It is similar to Paris in inner city having undergrounds and the arounds of Paris having the RER systen.

It is the largest rail transport system in Brazil. It is also the largest system in South America and the second largest in Latin America, behind the Mexico City Metro, serving 7 millions people daily.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compan...Metropolitanos

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/São_Paulo_Metro

The metro system carries about 4,700,000 passengers a day.
Metro itself is far from covering the entire urban area in the city of São Paulo and only runs within the city limits. Another company, Companhia Paulista de Trens Metropolitanos (CPTM), serves 23 municipalities that make up the São Paulo Metropolitan Region with commuter lines, which total seven lines (7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13), are a total of 273-kilometre (170 mi) in length, serve 94 stations, and carry 2,900,000 passengers a day.

Metro and CPTM are integrated through various stations. Metro and CPTM both operate as State-owned companies, and have received awards in the recent past as one of the cleanest systems in the world by ISO9001.

The times between the trains both in Metro and CPTM are about one-two minutes in the high traffic times, and three-five minutes in the low traffic periods. The CPTM differs from Metro because it serves other municipalities around São Paulo and also cargo trains, and because of the considerably larger distance between stations (except for the Line 9, which has almost no differences to the Metro lines).

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Old 05-08-2018, 06:29 AM
 
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I think Mexico City has to have one of the most extensive systems. Or maybe one of the cities in Brazil. A number of Latin American countries don't have trains at all.

Which makes me think. African nations like Ethiopia and Nigeria signed contracts with the Chinese to get rail systems built. Why don't Latin American nations negotiate deals with the Chinese to help build up their infrastructure? It would help with economic development tremendously.

Either that or they need to get better at taxation.

In Brazil the big issue are the strong national industry lobby against the enter of the Chinese train industry in Brazil, (cheaper) but there are the bigger Europeans like Alstom, Siemens, CAF (Spain). Also Bombardier and Hyundai


Fabricantes de trens temem a chegada dos investidores chineses - Economia - Estadão




List of Latin American rail transit systems by ridership

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_by_ridership
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Old 05-08-2018, 06:37 AM
 
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List of Latin American rail transit systems by ridership

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_by_ridership
That list is old and for some based on estimates...see references.

A more up-to-date list is the spanish version, with more reliable references.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:...%A9rica_Latina
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Old 05-08-2018, 07:37 AM
 
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That list is old and for some based on estimates...see references.

A more up-to-date list is the spanish version, with more reliable references.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:...%A9rica_Latina
Thanks i can speak Spanish

São Paulo currently is building more 100 km of subway lines… this year are getting ready lines that was promised for 2014 in the world cup...

https://exame.abril.com.br/brasil/ja...udo-der-certo/
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Old 05-08-2018, 07:39 AM
 
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Santiago is for me the best example for integrated transport among the big cities in LatAm. It's metro system surpasses cities like São Paulo which is 3 x larger. Mexico city's metro is extensive but it has to be, its a monster of a city.

Caracas was also a good example but nowadays the system doesn't even function half the time. Medellin is a great modern example especially for second tier cities, Recife is also good.

The best overall system is Santiago's.

The worst among cities close to/over a million is Mendoza's. No point in having a rail system if it only has a ridership of 7,000/day - it's a joke. A smaller city like Pereira has a BRT with a ridership of 118,000/day.

As for the chinese, it remains to be seen how those contracts pan out. Latin American governments are rightly suspicious of their vested interests. However, I do think the Chinese can play an important role in developing areas like the Pacific coast of Colombia or the transcontinental line from Brazil to the Pacific coast.
Have they signed any contracts? I think they were considering investments in rail in Colombia. Has anything happened?
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Old 05-08-2018, 07:42 AM
 
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Thanks i can speak Spanish

São Paulo currently is building more 100 km of subway lines… this year are getting ready lines that was promised for 2014 in the world cup...

https://exame.abril.com.br/brasil/ja...udo-der-certo/
Interesting. Are other Brazilian cities making major expansions? What affects are these having on local and the national Brazilian economy?
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Old 05-08-2018, 08:29 AM
 
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Interesting. Are other Brazilian cities making major expansions? What affects are these having on local and the national Brazilian economy?
Of course it affects the economy, such rail exapansion makes possible a bigger number of paulistas circulate around the city efficiently for study, work, doing business… creating more weath.

All the richest and first world cities have these huge infraestructure for the people moving efficiently around the city just look for massive transport systen in Tokio, Seul, Paris, London, the big chineses cities, until NYC in a car oriented country like USA has this infraestructure.

Rio de Janeiro had the necessary big investiment in this area for the expansion they needed before the olympics games.
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Old 05-08-2018, 12:33 PM
 
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The Mexico City Metro is great but not as extensive as people say. The closest station to the center of Coyoacan is a 20 minute walk away, Polanco needs an east-west line, Santa Fe desperately needs to be integrated into the system, and there's at least 3-4 more lines needed for the outskirts of the city (not the State of Mexico, but the actual CDMX). Add another one if the new airport happens.

I also can't believe the government chose Metrobus over the Metro on the Reforma and Insurgentes corridors.
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