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Old 08-21-2019, 10:26 AM
 
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Macri got his chance, but people feel he has not delivered.

And it will likely be the same at the end of Bolsonaro's term in Brazil. People are already unhappy, there is more and more violence and poverty...
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:18 AM
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There is only so much one president can do. It takes all segments of society to make a change. After all a government is only a reflection of a society.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:39 AM
 
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Well, if change were up to the people rather than the government, anyway, they might as well return to a leftist government. Albeit an honest, competent one, for a change.
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Old 08-21-2019, 12:18 PM
 
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The politicians come from the same society that produces them and they rule over, especially in societies that are democracies. There is a lot of hypocrisy when the 'people' criticized the politicians and pretend they were dropped from the sky and have nothing to do with the society that created them in the first place. Then you watch the 'society' do the same thing as the politicians. The only thing that changes is the scale, but its the same thing. Its almost as if the little guy is jealous of the big guy simply because the big guy became big instead of him.
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Old 08-21-2019, 12:42 PM
 
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That is true to a certain extent. But many people fall for the lies and promises made during election campaigns. They don't have the knowledge to decide whether or not a candidate is being honest.
Others vote for x simply in order to punish y or z. And then they often regret it.

Everyone expects their government to be competent and fix problems. Otherwise we might as well do everything ourselves instead of electing leaders.
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Old 08-21-2019, 06:21 PM
 
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That is true to a certain extent. But many people fall for the lies and promises made during election campaigns. They don't have the knowledge to decide whether or not a candidate is being honest.
Others vote for x simply in order to punish y or z. And then they often regret it.

Everyone expects their government to be competent and fix problems. Otherwise we might as well do everything ourselves instead of electing leaders.
True. At the end of day, whether left or right, a government's first priority is to the people of said nation. Unfortunately, most governments are incompetent.
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:44 AM
 
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Macri got his chance, but people feel he has not delivered.

And it will likely be the same at the end of Bolsonaro's term in Brazil. People are already unhappy, there is more and more violence and poverty...
Ah, lefty nut job dealing in hypotheticals... what a surprice. Truth is, They've all (Trump, Pinera, Macri, Bolsonaro and others like Kovind(india) have all done much better for the economy than previous ones. Specially the Brazilian president needs more time.
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Old 08-22-2019, 10:16 AM
 
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Ah, lefty nut job dealing in hypotheticals... what a surprice. Truth is, They've all (Trump, Pinera, Macri, Bolsonaro and others like Kovind(india) have all done much better for the economy than previous ones. Specially the Brazilian president needs more time.
People who actually live in those countries may see it differently. I know Brazilians, things are worse now than with the previous governments.
Same with Macri and Argentina.
Since you include Trump in your list, even the US is heading towards a recession:
https://markets.businessinsider.com/...ng-employment4
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Old 08-23-2019, 06:57 AM
 
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People who actually live in those countries may see it differently. I know Brazilians, things are worse now than with the previous governments.
Same with Macri and Argentina.
Since you include Trump in your list, even the US is heading towards a recession:
https://markets.businessinsider.com/...ng-employment4
Not really.
Bolsonaro is a jerk but most middle class brazilian like me voted him because his economic team. They are doing the economic reforms that Brazil needs, three importants reforms are being voted in the congress rightnow. Very strange you tell that a goverment of only 8 months became Brazil worse than previous left wing administration who governated the country for 16 years.
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Old 08-23-2019, 10:52 AM
 
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Not really.
Bolsonaro is a jerk but most middle class brazilian like me voted him because his economic team. They are doing the economic reforms that Brazil needs, three importants reforms are being voted in the congress rightnow. Very strange you tell that a goverment of only 8 months became Brazil worse than previous left wing administration who governated the country for 16 years.
The economy was not really the problem before, the previous governments did a lot to help reduce poverty. their successful programs are being emulated in other countries.
The main problem before the election was the stagnation and uncertainty due to the corruption (which was wrongfully attributed to the government, but in reality covers politicians of all parties, nepotism also continues under Bolsonaro who insists on making his incompetent son ambassador in the US). And the violence of course, related mostly to drugs.
On both fronts Bolsonaro has not delivered, yet. And he won't because he goes the wrong way. Privatization is a one-shot profit, selling good companies like Embraer to foreigners makes no sense.
Nor does slashing the education budget as education is the foundation for the future.

One big problem in Brazil is religion/superstition, which also played a role in the election. As long as Brazilians cling to religion the way they do, they won't get far. There is a direct inverse connection between progress and religiosity.

One of my Brazilian friends told me the main reason why Bolsonaro got elected is that many Brazilians are uneducated fools.
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