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Old 08-26-2019, 02:05 PM
 
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I have no problem with socialism at all, not that there ever was any socialism in Brazil to begin with. Socialism is just a word today.
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Old 08-27-2019, 04:56 AM
 
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I have no problem with socialism at all, not that there ever was any socialism in Brazil to begin with. Socialism is just a word today.
Tell it to people in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea
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Old 08-27-2019, 07:16 AM
 
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Still, the sale of Embraer to foreigners required the government's green light, if I am not mistaken. And they are planning lots of privatizations. It was a radicalized ideological election campaign, similar to the US one.
The biggest Embraer competitor, the canadian Bombardier was bought by Airbus, so Embraer alone will have difficult to compete in its market share with such big and capitalized company. The joint venture with Boeing is the natural way for both companies compete with Bombardier / Airbus.
The important for Brazil is maintain the planes made here, the joint venture with Boeing is only for the medium commercial planes the military and small planes will follow being only Embraer. With Boeing investiment Brazil will rise his participation in the world airplanes market.
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Old 08-27-2019, 10:36 AM
 
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Tell it to people in Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea
We were talking about Brazil. But it also applies to Europe. I have to whenever I hear Americans talk about Socialism in Europe. They are foolish if they think Europe is Socialist. Here in Portugal our government is formed by the Socialist party, the Communist party and a third left-wing party, but there is no Socialism in Portugal. Socialism is just a word these days, like an object in a museum.
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Old 08-27-2019, 10:39 AM
 
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The biggest Embraer competitor, the canadian Bombardier was bought by Airbus, so Embraer alone will have difficult to compete in its market share with such big and capitalized company. The joint venture with Boeing is the natural way for both companies compete with Bombardier / Airbus.
The important for Brazil is maintain the planes made here, the joint venture with Boeing is only for the medium commercial planes the military and small planes will follow being only Embraer. With Boeing investiment Brazil will rise his participation in the world airplanes market.
I was also against the Bombardier takeover, I don't support that trend towards bigger and bigger companies. It is dangerous as it can easily lead to monopolies, with all the associated problems.
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Old 08-28-2019, 08:48 AM
 
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We were talking about Brazil. But it also applies to Europe. I have to whenever I hear Americans talk about Socialism in Europe. They are foolish if they think Europe is Socialist. Here in Portugal our government is formed by the Socialist party, the Communist party and a third left-wing party, but there is no Socialism in Portugal. Socialism is just a word these days, like an object in a museum.
Socialism is not only the way it was in Soviet Union, big government intervention in the economy, high taxes and extreme welfare state are kind of socialism and keynesian theories.

The ‘’socialist party’’ in Portugal has been very orthodox in the economic politics to recover Portugal from the crisis since 2010.
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Old 08-28-2019, 09:03 AM
 
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Socialism is not only the way it was in Soviet Union, big government intervention in the economy, high taxes and extreme welfare state are kind of socialism and keynesian theories.

The ‘’socialist party’’ in Portugal has been very orthodox in the economic politics to recover Portugal from the crisis since 2010.
No, socialism is a clearly defined term, not an empty drawer were conservatives put in everything they don't like because they confuse socialist with social.

The Socialist party here is a joke, an insult to Socialism.
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Old 08-28-2019, 09:09 AM
 
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No, socialism is a clearly defined term, not an empty drawer were conservatives put in everything they don't like because they confuse socialist with social.

The Socialist party here is a joke, an insult to Socialism.
luckily for the Portuguese cousins!
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Old 08-28-2019, 09:35 AM
 
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luckily for the Portuguese cousins!
Not at all, the country is a mess because of the lack of investment in healthcare and other areas of state responsibility. We could learn so much from China, they got their priorities right, they think strategically and in the long term.
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Old 08-29-2019, 09:33 PM
 
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Not at all, the country is a mess because of the lack of investment in healthcare and other areas of state responsibility. We could learn so much from China, they got their priorities right, they think strategically and in the long term.
The Chinese have an authoritian government which cannot be replicated in Portugal. It’s a huge country and when you can martial over one billion people, it’s a whole different matter. As a part of the EU Portugal has little control over its currency. Unlike China which kept the yuan low for exports.

Thus Portugal had to get money from tourism and direct investment, much like Spain.

But there’s nothing wrong with that. You cannot turn Portugal or Spain into Germany, nor does the public in each nation want that.
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