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Old 06-18-2018, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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There are towns in my region of Colombia that are losing population.

Foreigners are buying these colorful farms and homes as its very affordable for a North American or a European.

Look at this colorful town called Caramanta, about two hours away from Medellin







Plenty of pretty towns like this in the highlands of Colombia are pretty much dying.

Besides foreigners, there has been a trend of well off Colombians from big cities buying land here to have weekend homes, or actual Colombian descendants born in the US who are coming to Colombia to live, they buy land and settle in those towns.

However that is not enough to save those towns populations from declining.

in 1988 Caramanta had 8,110 inhabitants, in 2016 it had 5,320 inhabitants.
Caramanta · Population

Granted, it is just a mere 3 thousand people or so, but mathematically a 3k population loss in a town of 8k people, its not far from 40% of its population.
Pretty homes, but it takes more then a roof over your head to make people want to stay somewhere.
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Old 06-18-2018, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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A stable population may look appealing and healthy at first but it`s not the total population that is the issue but rather the age cohorts.


A stable population automatically means more people over 65 due to every increasing life expectancies. This means the fewer children that are being born and having to support more seniors over 65. It puts an undue burden on the younger generation and can help fuel age tension. Certainly there are some corresponding government savings of fewer children such as less money spent on childcare and K to 12 education. That however represents a potential savings providing services to people up to the age of 18. With nearly everyone out of the job market by 65 that 18 years of potential savings is not near enough with a higher life expectancy and a greater percentage of the population over 65.


Canada is lucky. We have a very low birthrate but this is made up by immigration. For this to happen to SA the countries themselves must become more attractive socially which requires better infrastructure, health and government services, a more stable economic and political environment, and a MUCH lower crime rate.
This is sadly a reality. When I look at the people in my city having many kids ex more then 2 they are usually people that come from places where quality of life is really bad so having food, running water and a roof over their head makes seems like they are doing well.

I have met several families that I have met through my daughter who talks to every and anyone that have live 5 kids and live in one bedroom apartments in Toronto. There standards of living are so much lower that seem fairly content living packed in like sardines. They have very little, eat very cheaply and seem content. For someone like me I would never settle for that... but it is there choice. Even if a couple choose to have unprotected sex and not formally use formal contraception there are ways to drastically reduced pregnancy while having sex if the man has even an once of self control. In the context of places like Canada there is no excuse for careless reproduction between a couple. So they made their bed and will have to live like animals in a cage until their kids become old enough to work and help out.
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:13 PM
 
Location: NYntarctica
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South American countries will become more attractive for immigrants in the future, as they are going to develop more. Argentina and Chile are already both immigrant destinations, which the local residents aren't really fond of
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Old 06-24-2018, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Here's a solution. South America can import millions of babies from Africa and Southeast Asia, where there is an over-abundance of them. Solve the problems of both continents.
SE Asia? Have you checked the fertility rates of Thailand and Vietnam?
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Old 06-24-2018, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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The Philippines has a high birth rate.
Not a fair comparison as abortion is still illegal there and contraceptive use was just relaxed by the Catholic Church. Legalize abortion, and watch the fertility rate in the Philippines drop down to 1.5.

If the fertility rates in Latin America continue to fall, if you want to see a glimpse of what may happen is to turn to Japan, where there's a mere 1.26 applicants per job, a chronic shortage of workers, where they're increasingly turning to robots. First all-robot hotel just opened up in Tokyo, robotic sex workers in the Ginza bars, robotic caregivers and agricultural workers. Japan has been the leader in Robotics since the 1950's.

In another low fertility country, South Korea, a candidate running for President there promised that by 2020 that every household in South Korea would have a personal robot.

Asia, stubbornly resistant to immigration will turn to robots.

And even in Iran, where the fertility rate has fallen to 1.8, alarmed officials then recently banned vasectomies.
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Old 06-24-2018, 05:46 PM
 
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South American countries will become more attractive for immigrants in the future, as they are going to develop more. Argentina and Chile are already both immigrant destinations, which the local residents aren't really fond of
Venezuela is not getting immigrants from anywhere any time soon.

Argentina is now having to borrow a lot of money from the IMF and the World Bank. The government cannot access the capital markets due to the debt default. South American countries will not become attractive to broad numbers of immigrants anytime soon.

Chile is getting Haitians, Dominicans, and Venezuelans, but these are the ones who cannot get into the US or Europe.
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Old 06-24-2018, 05:47 PM
 
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Not a fair comparison as abortion is still illegal there and contraceptive use was just relaxed by the Catholic Church. Legalize abortion, and watch the fertility rate in the Philippines drop down to 1.5.

If the fertility rates in Latin America continue to fall, if you want to see a glimpse of what may happen is to turn to Japan, where there's a mere 1.26 applicants per job, a chronic shortage of workers, where they're increasingly turning to robots. First all-robot hotel just opened up in Tokyo, robotic sex workers in the Ginza bars, robotic caregivers and agricultural workers. Japan has been the leader in Robotics since the 1950's.

In another low fertility country, South Korea, a candidate running for President there promised that by 2020 that every household in South Korea would have a personal robot.

Asia, stubbornly resistant to immigration will turn to robots.

And even in Iran, where the fertility rate has fallen to 1.8, alarmed officials then recently banned vasectomies.
South America is not Asia.

With what money would they be able to buy robots and maintain them? Various countries in South America are in moments of political and economic collapse.
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Old 06-24-2018, 07:50 PM
 
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South America is not Asia.

With what money would they be able to buy robots and maintain them? Various countries in South America are in moments of political and economic collapse.
I wonder how those hundreds of thousands South Americans managed to get to the World Cup in Russia, just the plane fare alone is probably over $2K and one must also add another 7K for a two week stay 10K if they stay three weeks. I am sure all of them can purchase some robots.

The only country that has an extreme economic collapse at the moment is Argentina. But countries like Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Paraguay, Uruguay are booming.
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Old 06-24-2018, 09:13 PM
 
Location: East of the Mississippi and South of Bluegrass
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Most European countries are only half of that, USA and China 1.25. They seem to be doing alright, with rising populations.

Don't worry about Africa, they're going to do just fine with birth rates up in the 4s. Very promising, according to your measure.
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They are not doing right, there is a population crisis in Europe and the fertility rate in the US is 1.9 very close to replacement.
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Central America on the other hand has a healthy population growth. Guatemala has a bit too high population growth and they need to lower it in order to be able to grow sustainable and it can benefit the economy.

Mexico has a high population growth considering its 130 million people, they should reduce a bit their growth to accommodate so many people when it comes to resources and such.

Canada and the US have very low birth rates like South America, but good number of migrants, they cause the population to growth continuously.
Don't worry needlessly about America either...we have immigration (illegal and otherwise) south of the border so it's all good, we're good to go.
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Old 06-24-2018, 09:19 PM
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South America is not Asia.

With what money would they be able to buy robots and maintain them? Various countries in South America are in moments of political and economic collapse.
South America is actually wealthier than Asia.


http://www.imf.org/external/Datamapp...PC@WEO/SMQ/APQ

In fact, Latin America as a whole is the wealthiest region of the developing world.


http://www.imf.org/external/Datamapp...O/APQ/WE/OEMDC

In all of Latin America only 2 places are going through an economic crisis, one is Venezuela which is melting down while the other one is Puerto Rico. Everywhere else is actually growing.


http://www.imf.org/external/Datamapp...CH@WEO/SMQ/APQ
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