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Old 07-16-2018, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I am not saying Christianity or any specific religious is better... what I mean was the world has changed a lot since then in general. Going back is not really going to solve anything. Maybe a more modern various of that faith could be constructed to bridge some of the good aspects with modern advancements. The world has changed since then.
Obviously Mayans would not go back to practices of 1400s. Are you serious? Wow....
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:40 PM
 
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Obviously Mayans would not go back to practices of 1400s. Are you serious? Wow....
All it takes is a handful of people to start a movement and you never know.


Look what happened in Syria?


If you have a lot of hopeless people radical ideas can spread pretty fast.
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:48 PM
 
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Progression is lead by rebels. People who are willing to think outside the box rather then repeating the same old actions and expecting the outcomes to be different.


Many followers of Mayan spirituality are basically the activist and “rebels” now who hate the status quo of Guatemala lol.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSG16BN88rI
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:06 PM
 
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Many followers of Mayan spirituality are basically the activist and “rebels” now who hate the status quo of Guatemala lol.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSG16BN88rI
Well if the current situation is not good hopefully they can create a better one.
Things are always changing for a reason...
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Old 07-16-2018, 11:24 PM
 
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All it takes is a handful of people to start a movement and you never know.


Look what happened in Syria?


If you have a lot of hopeless people radical ideas can spread pretty fast.
Syria is Muslim, so there is no real surprise there.
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Old 07-17-2018, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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This has devolved from what could have been an interesting discussion on anthropology into incessant bickering of whose religion is better.
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:04 PM
 
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The god huitzilipochi needed blood to be ub peace and quite, thatˇs why prisoners were sacrificed in teocalis and their bodies thown stair down, to avoid plagues and famines,

It wa religion,,,,catholics replaced bllod by wine, which was more practical
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Old 07-17-2018, 07:44 PM
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This has devolved from what could have been an interesting discussion on anthropology into incessant bickering of whose religion is better.
Exactly.

I wanted a vivid discussion about the more controversial practices of the Aztecs, the centuries old attempt at 'erasing' these practices or pretending they never happened, the recent 're-discovery' of the reality of these practices, the return of credibility to the writings of the Spaniards from 500 years ago, and how will modern people cope with this.

If this forum isn't capable of such type of discussion, then I guess the fate of this thread is written in stone. Might as well close it. It has run its course.
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Old 07-17-2018, 07:48 PM
 
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Exactly.

I wanted a vivid discussion about the more controversial practices of the Aztecs, the centuries old attempt at 'erasing' these practices or pretending they never happened, the recent 're-discovery' of the reality of these practices, the return of credibility to the writings of the Spaniards from 500 years ago, and how will modern people cope with this.

If this forum isn't capable of such type of discussion, then I guess the fate of this thread is written in stone. Might as well close it. It has run its course.
Well the **** do you want people to say. "those Indian were savages after all, the Spanish were right to kill them and take over their land"?

Who is trying to erase these practices? I have several books on Aztecs and Mesoamericans, some that are used as text books in Universities and not one of them ignores this aspect of mesoamerican culture or attemps to downplay it or erase it. Where are you getting these ideas from?
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Old 07-17-2018, 08:17 PM
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Well the **** do you want people to say. "those Indian were savages after all, the Spanish were right to kill them and take over their land"?

Who is trying to erase these practices? I have several books on Aztecs and Mesoamericans, some that are used as text books in Universities and not one of them ignores this aspect of mesoamerican culture or attemps to downplay it or erase it. Where are you getting these ideas from?
In the article cited in the OP it clearly says:

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But historians and archaeologists knew the conquistadors were prone to exaggerating the horrors of human sacrifice to demonize the Mexica culture. As the centuries passed, scholars began to wonder whether the tzompantli had ever existed.
Feeding the gods: Hundreds of skulls reveal massive scale of human sacrifice in Aztec capital

Many other sources clearly make a point of the attempt to 'erase' that part of Aztec (and Mayan) history, especially by many pro-indigenous social groups.

The movie Apocalypto, which was based on the Mayans, was intensely criticized by pro-Mayan groups for supposedly 'misrepresenting Mayan culture.'

This scene of a human sacrifice got special attention from the critics, despite that the movie was made with as close to reality as possible.



In fact, the movie was labelled as 'racist' by Ricardo Cajas.

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Ricardo Cajas, Guatemala's presidential commissioner on racism, said yesterday the film had set back understanding of the Mayan people by 50 years and compared its impact to that of the negative images of Native Americans in US movies from the 1950s.
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However, the movie also depicts Mayans as being extremely violent and carrying out beheadings and human sacrifices.

Cajas said the level of bloodshed is historically inaccurate and makes the Mayans seem savage. "It's a case of Western civilization imposing its view about other civilizations," he said.

'Racist' Apocalypto accused of denigrating Mayan culture


How can a movie based on fact be 'racist?' It's ridiculous.

I guess the scientists that made the following discovery are also racist.

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The victims of human sacrifice by Mexico’s ancient Mayans, who threw children into water-filled caverns, were likely boys and young men not virgin girls as previously believed, archeologists said on Tuesday.
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He said children were often thrown alive to their watery graves to please the Mayan rain god Chaac. Some of the children were ritually skinned or dismembered before being offered to the gods, he said.
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Archeologists previously believed young female virgins were sacrificed because the remains, which span from around 850 AD until the Spanish colonization, were often found adorned with jade jewelry.

It is difficult to determine the sex of skeletons before they are fully matured, said de Anda, but he believes cultural evidence from Mayan mythology would suggest the young victims were actually male.
Ancient Maya sacrificed boys not virgin girls: study

I will quote one more article where it clearly show that there was an attempt to erase or at least reduce to a minimum the actual reality of human sacrifices among the Aztecs and the Mayans.

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It has long been a matter of contention: Was the Aztec and Mayan practice of human sacrifice as widespread and horrifying as the history books say? Or did the Spanish conquerors overstate it to make the Indians look primitive?

In recent years archeologists have uncovered mounting physical evidence that corroborates the Spanish accounts in substance, if not number.
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For decades, many researchers believed Spanish accounts from the 16th and 17th centuries were biased to denigrate Indian cultures.
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"Many people said, 'We can't trust these codices because the Spaniards were describing all these horrible things,' which in the long run we are confirming," said Carmen Pijoan, a forensic anthropologist who found some of the first direct evidence of cannibalism in a pre-Aztec culture more than a decade ago: bones with butcher-like cut marks.
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Some Spanish-era texts have yet to be corroborated with physical remains. They describe Aztec priests sacrificing children and adults by sealing them in caves or drowning them. But the assumption now is that the texts appear trustworthy, said Lopez Lujan, who also works at the Templo Mayor site.
Brutality of Aztecs, Mayas Corroborated: Scholars had doubted Spaniards' tales of human sacrifice. But new evidence shows that it happened, and that it was purposely painful.
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