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Old 07-09-2018, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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You'd think by now that the masses in Latin America would realize they aren't getting anywhere by trying the socialism route. The elites that (terribly) run these countries will just bail for NY, Miami or even Spain until the experiment collapses and then rush back in to re-establish their fiefdoms. Entrepreneurship, education and the rule of law are the only things that would break the grip of the oligarchy and socialist swindlers.
Read about Cuba's Batista, if you want to warn us about the oligarchy and swindlers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgen...and_government
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Old 07-09-2018, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Earth
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at least you could party with batista.


THe US made a mistake not annexing cuba.


THe entire Caribbean should be americanized except jerk chicken and maduros, chimicurri sauce, and cuban hot sauce.
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Old 07-09-2018, 08:53 PM
 
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Read about Cuba's Batista, if you want to warn us about the oligarchy and swindlers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgen...and_government
Batista was a known crook, no doubt about that. However, Castro didn't improve the situation in any meaningful way. Here's the thing about these so called left leaning governments, they claim to stand against corruption, but are only using it as a plateau to gain power. Castro was one of the world's biggest frauds. Despite all the financial support he received from the SU, the country has barely progressed. People still drive vintage cars from the 50's, which admittedly is interesting.

There's a good reason why despite Pinochet's regime, Chile is leading SA in development.

Sure, foreign intervention, including the US, has had malicious overtones to it, but it's hard to argue in favor of it's opposition.
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Old 07-09-2018, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Batista was a known crook, no doubt about that. However, Castro didn't improve the situation in any meaningful way. Here's the thing about these so called left leaning governments, they claim to stand against corruption, but are only using it as a plateau to gain power. Castro was one of the world's biggest frauds. Despite all the financial support he received from the SU, the country has barely progressed. People still drive vintage cars from the 50's, which admittedly is interesting.

There's a good reason why despite Pinochet's regime, Chile is leading SA in development.

Sure, foreign intervention, including the US, has had malicious overtones to it, but it's hard to argue in favor of it's opposition.
Socialist experiments might have had a chance, if the US had not bribed all the rest of the world to isolate, boycott, blockade and sanction them, if not wage all out war and force them to expend much of their treasury on military defense against US threats and aggression. Which, as you may recall, is what happened to every single one of them, right on down to Grenada.

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Old 07-09-2018, 09:41 PM
 
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You'd think by now that the masses in Latin America would realize they aren't getting anywhere by trying the socialism route. The elites that (terribly) run these countries will just bail for NY, Miami or even Spain until the experiment collapses and then rush back in to re-establish their fiefdoms. Entrepreneurship, education and the rule of law are the only things that would break the grip of the oligarchy and socialist swindlers.

A lot feel the same with capitalism, especially the neoliberal brand which rewards only a few and furthers inequality with many of the rest.


Rule of law? Getting rid of corruption would indeed be of benefit. But hang on, Chile at one time had a rather good go at the rule of law, much to the cost of its population.


The reasons for Latin American inequality an entire study in itself. Some countries within the region are certainly lifting their quality of living but much work continues to be required to be done. Chile comes to mind.
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:58 PM
 
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Socialist experiments might have had a chance, if the US had not bribed all the rest of the world to isolate, boycott, blockade and sanction them, if not wage all out war and force them to expend much of their treasury on military defense against US threats and aggression. Which, as you may recall, is what happened to every single one of them, right on down to Grenada.
Cuba done pretty darn well for a considerable time prior to Soviet ending. They had was in commonly regarded as the best health system, free on delivery, in that part of the world.


Considering it is an island with little outside of sugar, to sustain it, that nation done remarkably well taking into account the American boycott and its position in the world.
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Old 07-09-2018, 10:06 PM
 
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Batista was a known crook, no doubt about that. However, Castro didn't improve the situation in any meaningful way. Here's the thing about these so called left leaning governments, they claim to stand against corruption, but are only using it as a plateau to gain power. Castro was one of the world's biggest frauds. Despite all the financial support he received from the SU, the country has barely progressed. People still drive vintage cars from the 50's, which admittedly is interesting.

There's a good reason why despite Pinochet's regime, Chile is leading SA in development.

Sure, foreign intervention, including the US, has had malicious overtones to it, but it's hard to argue in favor of it's opposition.
No actually it is very easy to argue against American interference. Chile, you mentioned. it was American 'interference' that brought down a democratically elected government. Only grounds it was socialist. The result being many thousands of Chileans, disappearing and/or being murdered by the fascist military regime that replaced it.


AS mentioned Cuba had the best health system in Latin America. So what's the deal with old cars? People were not rich, but had a quality of life, superior than the former corrupt American backed regime.
Cuba had similarly never been a rich nation, apart from those in the gangster regime previously operating casino's and the like.
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Old 07-18-2018, 01:17 PM
 
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Cuba done pretty darn well for a considerable time prior to Soviet ending. They had was in commonly regarded as the best health system, free on delivery, in that part of the world.
Indeed, from my studies the portion of the Cubano population did well during that time period with significant raise in standards of living compared to the rest of Latin America.

The portion of the Island Cubanos darker than a brown paper bag also did well compared to certain sections of North America too as well.

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Old 07-18-2018, 02:08 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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"...now Mexico"? Does no one remember when Mexico being socialist was normal? It used to be government by a revolutionary Party. US businesses were not welcome. Times changed. Maybe now, they'll change back, who knows?
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Old 07-18-2018, 02:51 PM
 
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Some might disagree on one point because there's one point then Obrador have a thing in common with Trump and it's border security with Central America.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog..._security.html

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AS mentioned Cuba had the best health system in Latin America. So what's the deal with old cars? People were not rich, but had a quality of life, superior than the former corrupt American backed regime.
Cuba had similarly never been a rich nation, apart from those in the gangster regime previously operating casino's and the like.
It could be interesting to see a new update of the Cuban situation since that video was aired in 2007.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ZH1ps20WA

And Cuba will recognize private property in a new constitution. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...rce=reddit.com
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