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Old 04-19-2019, 10:11 PM
 
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Southern cone is a s hithole.
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Old 04-20-2019, 09:33 AM
 
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Jet military aircraft only came about in the late 1940s and 1950s. Huh?
Hahaha that guy is the typical (paulista ) person who is convinced Sao Paulo is the center of the universe. Sao Paulo and the whole south east Brazil region are not even part of the southern cone , firstly because it's almost totally in the tropics and second of all , Sao Paulo doesn't need to be part of the southern cone . (Also even if it wants to, it can't ) because Sao Paulo or Rio de janeiro dont have all the requirements to be considered southern cone . (Sao Paulo is multiracial, doesn't have the mate culture, its climate is rather tropical and it's white population percentages are below 50%). South Brazil and Paraguay have all characteristic of southern cone region. Chile and Paraguay go from mestizo to white . But unlike Sao Paulo or Rio de janeiro , they don't really have afrodecendants or pure Indigenous population.
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Old 04-20-2019, 12:14 PM
 
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It was all luck that made the S cone what it is
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Old 04-20-2019, 12:29 PM
 
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Hahaha that guy is the typical (paulista ) person who is convinced Sao Paulo is the center of the universe. Sao Paulo and the whole south east Brazil region are not even part of the southern cone , firstly because it's almost totally in the tropics and second of all , Sao Paulo doesn't need to be part of the southern cone . (Also even if it wants to, it can't ) because Sao Paulo or Rio de janeiro dont have all the requirements to be considered southern cone . (Sao Paulo is multiracial, doesn't have the mate culture, its climate is rather tropical and it's white population percentages are below 50%). South Brazil and Paraguay have all characteristic of southern cone region. Chile and Paraguay go from mestizo to white . But unlike Sao Paulo or Rio de janeiro , they don't really have afrodecendants or pure Indigenous population.

So what?

Most of Chile doesn't have a mate culture, it's rather a tea culture.

10% of Uruguay's population is Afro-Uruguayan.

Like 10% of Chile's population declared themselves "Mapuche" in a recent national census.

The southern cone geographic area has all kinds of climates, deserts, glaciers, pampa, wet forest etc but, for one, the Chilean side is much more humid than the Argentinean patagonia. Argentina has some tropical jungle in their northern tip. There isn't a "Southern cone" kind of climate, at all.

Sao Paulo is probably much more White than Chile and Paraguay.
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Old 04-20-2019, 12:35 PM
 
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2) the closest (official) status related to the southern cone today is the (MERCOSUR) which is the largest trade bloc in the southern hemisphere and one of the 4 largest in the world along with (EUROPEAN UNION, NAFTA and ASEAN). And it (officially includes only Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay), far from being perfect like most trade blocs but at least have some similarities with what a real (unification ) is , and that's basically the (economical and the broad political ideology unification). Citizens of the MERCOSUR enjoy advantages in terms of inmigration, equal Job opportunities and as far as I remember a unique vehicle registration plate . (Bolivia, Chile and other south American nations are associates but not fully part of the bloc) .

No, the Pacific Alliance (Chile, Peru, Colombia and Mexico) has roughly the same size as Mercosul, but it has larger exports, so it's more relevant. But also it's more dynamic. Mercosul is basically half dead.

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5) Rio platense accent is just an accent (it's still Spanish mind you ), just because you pronounce the letters (y) and the dobliu (LL) as (Sho) doesn't mean is (unique)
It's not only about that, it's about the whole phonology, intonation, slang, etc. Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rioplatense_Spanish

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7) unfair comparison between (southern cone countries and other Latino countries in terms of population), Venezuela , Cuba and even Costa Rica or Colombia are way more populous ( per square mile ) and they all have significant white population but also huuggeee number or natives, meztizos and blacks . Since when you see a country with mostly indigenous /meztizo population (according to you) like Chile be considered the most developed nation in Latin America where citizens don't need a visa to enter the USA ? ���� (Laughable)
No. Again, we are talking about proportions. Proportionally (as in % of the total population), all of these countries have similar levels of "Whiteness".

Or not really, Cuba is the "whitest" of the bunch.
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Old 04-21-2019, 06:07 AM
 
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So what?

Most of Chile doesn't have a mate culture, it's rather a tea culture.

10% of Uruguay's population is Afro-Uruguayan.

Like 10% of Chile's population declared themselves "Mapuche" in a recent national census.

The southern cone geographic area has all kinds of climates, deserts, glaciers, pampa, wet forest etc but, for one, the Chilean side is much more humid than the Argentinean patagonia. Argentina has some tropical jungle in their northern tip. There isn't a "Southern cone" kind of climate, at all.

Sao Paulo is probably much more White than Chile and Paraguay.
1) Most part of the (triangle shape) Southern Cone is under the tropic of capricorn , which means it's at a (subtropical, temperate, cold climate zone), but it's outside of the totally tropical zone. Sao Paulo it's in another level, it doesn't need to be southern cone. Sao Paulo its (multiracial). Numeracly it can have many whites but in terms of (percentage) all the southern cone area has an avarage of 70% with more caucasian features. Especially (Argentina and Rio grande do sul ), in the case of Parana, Paraguay and Chile the population is either meztizo or white. But certainly there's no an important pure indigenous or afrodescendant population unlike Sao Paulo. (I've been to all the southern region ) and Sao Paulo and Rio de janeiro are certainly way more multiracial

2) Mate is highly consumed especially in Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay and Rio grande do sul . In southern Chile and the other southern Brazil states is also consumed but not as much as the other regions in the southern cone . (Southern cone is not just an economical region ) it's a geographic, historical, racial, economical, climatological but Most of all is a (cultural) region. This is why Sao Paulo Cannot be fully considered part of this region because , geographilacally is moslty outside the triangle shape; historically is not particularly associated to the viceroyalty of the river plate (unlike south Brazil) , climatologically is practically tropical , culturally (doesn't have mate nor the gaucho theme culture ), racially is a melting pot , Economically Sao Paulo is the business hub of Brazil which is the only way comparable to the southern cone

3) Mate is tea (btw) ����

4) 10% ??? 10% ??? Doesn't sound much of a big deal to me

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Old 04-21-2019, 02:44 PM
 
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[quote=joacocanal;54990697]No, the Pacific Alliance (Chile, Peru, Colombia and Mexico) has roughly the same size as Mercosul, but it has larger exports, so it's more relevant. But also it's more dynamic. Mercosul is basically half dead.


It's not only about that, it's about the whole phonology, intonation, slang, etc. Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rioplatense_Spanish


No. Again, we are talking about proportions. Proportionally (as in % of the total population), all of these countries have similar levels of "Whiteness".

Or not really, Cuba is the "whitest" of

1) Mercosur is still a larger market , the largest in the southern hemisphere, considered as one of the 4 major trade blocs in the world , the 6th largest economy in the world if counted as single behind USA, EU, China, India and Japan

Mercosur
Pop: 300 mill
GDP: 3.5 trillion
Trade composition: within the bloc (14 20%), China (14.20%), USA (10.8%), rest of the world (60.80%)

Pacific Alliance
Pop: 221 mill
GDP: 2.1 trillion
Trade composition: within the bloc (3.6 %) , China (11.9%), USA (50%) largely due to strong links between Mexico and the USA , rest of the world (34%) .

But hey I'm very happy for the Pacific Alliance , because this is the beginning of the (meterialised) unification of Hispanic America . And I'm very proud of it. In fact Mercosur and the Pacific Alliance are in talks for an agreement. So I'm 100% in favour

2) I speak Spanish myself and no (Argentinian Spanish is just another accent) it's nothing special we all understand each other . The rioplatense (dialect) or how I would rather call it (accent) is like comparing the american sounding accent to the British. But English is English and Spanish is Spanish.

3) what really matters is the percentage comparing to the total population, the caribbean whiter ? , they have first mulatos, mixed , multiracials and then whites

4) but you know I'm tired of the dilemma between Latin countries (especially) Hispanic Americans. I'm pro Hispanic America unification so I just hope we can finally get into a (materialised) unification. Not just political but economically. Alpha countries like Argentina and Mexico need to get along since Peru and Colombia are always willing for a better outcome

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Old 04-22-2019, 07:54 AM
 
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Jet military aircraft only came about in the late 1940s and 1950s. Huh?
You are right. Were used ''regular warplanes'' or what you name in english for military aircraft before the jets.


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Old 04-22-2019, 08:23 AM
 
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Hahaha that guy is the typical (paulista ) person who is convinced Sao Paulo is the center of the universe. Sao Paulo and the whole south east Brazil region are not even part of the southern cone , firstly because it's almost totally in the tropics and second of all , Sao Paulo doesn't need to be part of the southern cone . (Also even if it wants to, it can't ) because Sao Paulo or Rio de janeiro dont have all the requirements to be considered southern cone . (Sao Paulo is multiracial, doesn't have the mate culture, its climate is rather tropical and it's white population percentages are below 50%). South Brazil and Paraguay have all characteristic of southern cone region. Chile and Paraguay go from mestizo to white . But unlike Sao Paulo or Rio de janeiro , they don't really have afrodecendants or pure Indigenous population.
I think you are not Brazilian, or you donít know really Sao Paulo.
The metropolitan Sao Paulo area is the second coldest capital city of Brazil just after Curitiba and I wonít explain why. It is really subtropical.
Sao Paulo City is a melting pot how any mega city in the world but the countryside is very paulista in culture and people (melting pot of italians, portuguese and spanish ethnic and culture).
Sao Paulo city =11 millions people, Sao Paulo state = 45 millons people. So you are projecting whole state based in one international city.

Sao Paulo is more alike Uruguay and Argentina, south Latin American culture, with the same predominant mix of Europeans (Italians and Spanish) than South Brazil with big influence of germans and slavs.
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Old 04-22-2019, 08:45 AM
 
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Southern cone is a s hithole.
If the Southern cone is a ****hole, what does that make the rest of Latin America?



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