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Old 04-30-2019, 07:14 AM
 
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Sao Paulo has better GINI coefficient than Parana and Rio Grande do sul, just little worse than Santa Catarina. Overall better GDP per capita, HDI and GINI... Where do you figure out this better standard of living for the southern Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay ?
you dont know what GINI is. SP has a GINI coefficient similar to Indonesia, it is deep 3rd world ****.
GINI does not measure if a country is rich or poor, developed or under developed, it just measures how wealth is distributed.
a country can be dirt poor and has a fantastic GINI, (if everybody has the sale level of poverty)
I dont even know why you mention GINI. as Brazil and sao paulo are known for having crazy inequality.

As of human development Sao paulo has a HDI of 0,783, which is below Panama, Argentina, Chile, Bahamas, Trinidad, Uruguay, Barbados, and Costa Rica.
A human development of 0.783 is not even considered "developed" as it has to be above 800 points.
http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/fi...cal_update.pdf

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Old 04-30-2019, 07:32 AM
 
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you dont know what GINI is. SP has a GINI coefficient similar to Indonesia, it is deep 3rd world ****.
Yes I do. Many of the poorest countries of the world have GINI similar of scandinavian countries and it only means they are 99% all equal... miserable instead scandinavian enjoyng high standarding of living.

São Paulo has 25.000 of GDP percapita and GINI lower than 0,400 similar GINI of Indonesia but Indonesia with only 11.000 GDP percapita = much poorer society.
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Old 04-30-2019, 07:41 AM
 
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you dont know what GINI is. SP has a GINI coefficient similar to Indonesia, it is deep 3rd world ****.
GINI does not measure if a country is rich or poor, developed or under developed, it just measures how wealth is distributed.
a country can be dirt poor and has a fantastic GINI, (if everybody has the sale level of poverty)
I dont even know why you mention GINI. as Brazil and sao paulo are known for having crazy inequality.

As of human development Sao paulo has a HDI of 0,783, which is below Panama, Argentina, Chile, Bahamas, Trinidad, Uruguay, Barbados, and Costa Rica.
A human development of 0.783 is not even considered "developed" as it has to be above 800 points.
http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/fi...cal_update.pdf
False São Paulo HDI was 0.831 in 2016 dropping for 0.826 with the economic crisis in 2018 still very high just behind Chile in Latam.

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_...Brasil_por_IDH
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Old 04-30-2019, 12:17 PM
 
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Other latin countries are not doing better . Mexico , Colombia , Venezuela , most part of brazil are still more f $#/^ed up than southern cone (nobody said this region is first world) but in comparison to those millions FAVELAS in brazils and illegals plus refugees from Mexico and venezuela . Southern cone at least is ahead of other latin countries. Yes people buy the European architecture and culture , that's why everyone still a bit fascinated by Argentina , particularly buenos aires , I Lived in New York for 5 years and visited Buenos Aires for a week and the similarities between the 2 cities are incredible (of course New York is more modern and better maintained ). But the similarities are impressive. Argentina nor the southern cone is as bad as the media say it is
i dont see refugees from mexico anywhere in latam, and the southern cone is not ahead on anything.

lets start with GDP-PPP: Argentina is mid range and just marginally above average.
Economic growth: the the southern cone is the region that grows the least in latam.
Crime: Uruguay "Since January 2018, Uruguay has experienced a dramatic increase in crime to include armed robbery, carjacking, homicide, vehicle break-in, theft, residential break-in, and assault. Criminals are armed, brazen, and do not hesitate to resort to violence if victims resist or if the police attempt to intervene. In 2018, 382 homicides occurred in Uruguay, signifying a 35% increase from the 283 homicides in 2017."
inflation: consumer prices rose 4.7% for the month of March!, taking the year-to-date increase to 11.8%. Rolling 12-month inflation is running at 54.7%.
33% of Argentinians are now in poverty.

YOu cant include Chile in the southern cone thing, geographically is in the cone, but culturally is not part of the region we are dealing with, la plata-south Brazil region.

chile took a very different path to development.
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:02 PM
 
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The folks that went to places like Uruguay and Argentina came from North Italy which was a very highly developed place in general. Some of the smartest people came from North Italy like Galileo and Armani. Meanwhile the US attracted people from the negative parts of Italy that are more highly corrupted.

Northern South America also has a mad hot climate. While places like Hong Kong and Lagos have the same kind of climate but have other economic advantages.

Smartness and race do not correlate. It's region that counts. Lets give some more examples. Guyana economically sucks and became a haven for suicide cults, because it was settled by North Indians, Dubai is rich because of South Indians and Tamils. Singapore is rich because it has Cantonese and Fujianese people unlike Kyrgyzstan which attracted people from Gansu which is one of the brokest areas of China.
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:19 PM
 
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Sao Paulo has better GINI coefficient than Parana and Rio Grande do sul, just little worse than Santa Catarina. Overall better GDP per capita, HDI and GINI... Where do you figure out this better standard of living for the souther Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay ?
Just litte worse than Santa Catarina , there you !!. Lol Sao Paulo couldn't beat a southern state
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:39 PM
 
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you dont know what GINI is. SP has a GINI coefficient similar to Indonesia, it is deep 3rd world ****.
GINI does not measure if a country is rich or poor, developed or under developed, it just measures how wealth is distributed.
a country can be dirt poor and has a fantastic GINI, (if everybody has the sale level of poverty)
I dont even know why you mention GINI. as Brazil and sao paulo are known for having crazy inequality.

As of human development Sao paulo has a HDI of 0,783, which is below Panama, Argentina, Chile, Bahamas, Trinidad, Uruguay, Barbados, and Costa Rica.
A human development of 0.783 is not even considered "developed" as it has to be above 800 points.
http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/fi...cal_update.pdf
Brazil is actually in the top 10 with mostly African countries (with the WORSE GINI) .

Brazil (10)
Paraguay (21)
Chile (23)
Argentina (45)
Uruguay (55)

Worth mentioning Colombia, Mexico,Costa rica, Honduras, Panama Have a lower GINI than these southern cone countries Paraguay and Chile .

According to the world bank
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:48 PM
 
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Yes I do. Many of the poorest countries of the world have GINI similar of scandinavian countries and it only means they are 99% all equal... miserable instead scandinavian enjoyng high standarding of living.

São Paulo has 25.000 of GDP percapita and GINI lower than 0,400 similar GINI of Indonesia but Indonesia with only 11.000 GDP percapita = much poorer society.

GINI is about (wealth distribution) not about (gdp itself ). For instance Chile and Paraguay are more equal among their population than Brazil. This mean at the end of the day Chile and Paraguay are better countries . If southern Brazil is counted as a single nation (it would probably) have a higher GINI than Chile and Paraguay , But since southern Brazil have to share all their wealth with the rest of Brazil it ends up at a bad position. (This is the reason why southern Brazil want independence )
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Old 04-30-2019, 04:08 PM
 
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i dont see refugees from mexico anywhere in latam, and the southern cone is not ahead on anything.

lets start with GDP-PPP: Argentina is mid range and just marginally above average.
Economic growth: the the southern cone is the region that grows the least in latam.
Crime: Uruguay "Since January 2018, Uruguay has experienced a dramatic increase in crime to include armed robbery, carjacking, homicide, vehicle break-in, theft, residential break-in, and assault. Criminals are armed, brazen, and do not hesitate to resort to violence if victims resist or if the police attempt to intervene. In 2018, 382 homicides occurred in Uruguay, signifying a 35% increase from the 283 homicides in 2017."
inflation: consumer prices rose 4.7% for the month of March!, taking the year-to-date increase to 11.8%. Rolling 12-month inflation is running at 54.7%.
33% of Argentinians are now in poverty.

YOu cant include Chile in the southern cone thing, geographically is in the cone, but culturally is not part of the region we are dealing with, la plata-south Brazil region.

chile took a very different path to development.
When I used the word (refugees) I was referring to Venezuela .not Mexico . Mexico has a rather illegal crossing inmigrants .

2) if southern cone countries are not growing fast enough , it doesn't mean they are worse than other Latin countries . Southern cone did the job of having good GINI , good gdp per capital , good social sustem a long time ago. Now they might be facing challenges, but they still maintaining good quality of life . Countries like Mexico , colombia or Panama came from bad economies and social innestability. They growing at a very superficial fast pace but their population in general are still in bad situations comparing to southern cone citizens .
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Old 04-30-2019, 04:45 PM
 
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Northern South America also has a mad hot climate. While places like Hong Kong and Lagos have the same kind of climate but have other economic advantages.
I despair at the lack of knowledge of some people. The largest populations in Northern South America (Colombia and Ecuador specifically) are in the mountains with a climate more akin to London or Paris in Autumn & Spring than Hong Kong or Lagos.
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