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Old 05-29-2019, 12:51 PM
 
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South America, North America, Australia or South Africa (are not) Europe, thats very cleared, none of these regions cannot be 100 percent white, but the correlation i mentioned in my first post about all the countries and regions surrounding the ( artic and antartica ) outside the totally tropical zone, just above and below the ( tropics of cancer and capricorn) had the largest European migration and influence in the world is certainly (correct), you just gotta look at the world map.

* Northern Hemisphere
1. Europe, Russia, Siberia
2. USA, Canada
3. Northern Mexico (presumably the most prosperous and whitest area in the country, at least Monterrey is the most developed city in MX)

* Southern Hemisphere
4. Southern Cone : Argentina,Chile,Uruguay, Paraguay, Southern Brazil (Parana, Santa Catarina, Rio grande do Sul )
5. South Africa
6. Australia, New Zealand

We never heard of Central America, the caribbean or great part of South America being too prosperous in the past, still not in the present overall (hopefully future will look different), except by the Southernmost South America (aka) Southern Cone. My intention was never to come up with ideas of white supremacist sentiments but only to point out a funny correlation ive observed. Racially speaking is more than obvious that the southern cone still remains more homogenous than the avarage latin countries, (this means people from this region tend to have a more caucasian/european phenotypes or on their dna), yes the case of Chile can be debatable for some, but overall Chile is still more homogenous than to say Peru, Mexico, or northern brazil, even Colombia or Venezuela in general terms). The DNA tool is indeed very useful but it doesnt guarantee that a country population (appearance) would be of one specific race such as indigenous, black or asian. If we use the DNA composition only we all are (mestizos), (mix) or (mulato)., in the case of the southern cone is very easy to verify and see that most of the population is indeed mestizo like most part of america, but the difference is that the avarage person still look rather light skinned with more caucasian phenotypes than the avarage person from mexico, north brazil or peru as an example., whether if venezuela or colombia have more whites than a southern cone country, doesnt mean overall they are in fact (whiter), these countries still have a larger minorities of afrodescendants, multiracials or any other race comparing to the SC region.

2) Another point that keeps bothering me is that many here truthfully believe that having a large GDP, or having a good GDP per capita (which can vary from one year to another) proof that a country is doing better than others. Theres more than just those two methods to measure how well a country is doing. (Example), GINI , HDI, Women rights, Marihuana legalization and LGBT rights (yes thats an odd one but its the new thing). in all these measurament the southern cone still do not too bad and better than the avarage latin countries. Nobody should be predicting anything. Let's hope all the Latin countries develope all measurements of developments, not just gdp or gdp per capita . Those are the first steps .

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Old 05-29-2019, 12:56 PM
 
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Interesting world map i found about world ethnic groups by the end of the 20th century. It highlights on light green where the larger european influences are located . (Supporting my observation). The case of South Africa (not being highlightned on light green) is understandable because even tho its the sub sahara African country with largest European descenants ., In terms of percentage is only 10% of the entire population which is 55+ millions . Guess is not high enough to highlight it as one of the main destination of European emigrants. It also shows the racial and ethnic composition of the rest of Brazil and Latin America as mostly Multiraciales and mix.

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Old 05-29-2019, 12:59 PM
 
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Old 05-29-2019, 02:37 PM
 
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Interesting world map i found about world ethnic groups by the end of the 20th century. It highlights on light green where the larger european influences are located . (Supporting my observation). The case of South Africa (not being highlightned on light green) is understandable because even tho its the sub sahara African country with largest European descenants ., In terms of percentage is only 10% of the entire population which is 55+ millions . Guess is not high enough to highlight it as one of the main destination of European emigrants. It also shows the racial and ethnic composition of the rest of Brazil and Latin America as mostly Multiraciales and mix.

that's just some random map made by some 4channer. It's not accurate at all and has no basis.


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We never heard of Central America, the caribbean or great part of South America being too prosperous in the past, still not in the present overall (hopefully future will look different), except by the Southernmost South America (aka) Southern Cone
we discussed that too all over the thread and yes, Venezuela, Mexico and other countries were more prosperous and rich than Chile, Argentina or Uruguay at many points of history, and Mexico, Costa Rica and Panama are more prosperous today than Argentina. Panama is also wealthier than all of them.


wealthiest countries in the region in 1989 vs 2019:




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Tango is Argentina's version of the waltz. I'm unaware of and unable to hear any African influence in it at all.

yeah, African influence in tango is the subject of many books by musicologists. Also, you can check this documentary:





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How do we upload pictures on here?, Can anyone help?

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Old 05-29-2019, 03:11 PM
 
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Panama is 80% black and it's the wealthiest country atm.

Watch out for Dominican Republic, Haiti's stepbrother.
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Old 05-29-2019, 03:30 PM
 
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In the past a country was considered (developed) when having a large GDP , high GDP per capita , high GINI and high HDI. Now a country is considered (advanced ) when having not just all of the above mentioned (but also) , it has to have a high tolerance to LGBT , women and animal rights. How are we doing in those aspects Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela and Panama ? And yes Brazil ?...
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Old 05-29-2019, 03:37 PM
 
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that's just some random map made by some 4channer. It's not accurate at all and has no basis.


we discussed that too all over the thread and yes, Venezuela, Mexico and other countries were more prosperous and rich than Chile, Argentina or Uruguay at many points of history, and Mexico, Costa Rica and Panama are more prosperous today than Argentina. Panama is also wealthier than all of them.


wealthiest countries in the region in 1989 vs 2019:







yeah, African influence in tango is the subject of many books by musicologists. Also, you can check this documentary:








click on the "insert image" icon () and paste the url of the image you want to insert. Just make sure the url ends in "jpg" or some other image format.
Can you speak in terms of (over all ) in specific time in history ?
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Old 05-29-2019, 03:47 PM
 
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I'm no expert in music but TANGO music sounds like the typical french sound music based on the (accordion) instrument (also German ) . ( The Accordion) instrument is also very used in the norteno music from Mexico (ala Alicia Villareal and grupo limite ) , remember I was talking about (northern Mexico ) being more caucasian, with more European Influence and more developed In Mexico ??.. it's all a coincidence believe me you ����������

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Old 05-29-2019, 05:29 PM
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South America, North America, Australia or South Africa (are not) Europe, thats very cleared, none of these regions cannot be 100 percent white, but the correlation i mentioned in my first post about all the countries and regions surrounding the ( artic and antartica ) outside the totally tropical zone, just above and below the ( tropics of cancer and capricorn) had the largest European migration and influence in the world is certainly (correct), you just gotta look at the world map.

* Northern Hemisphere
1. Europe, Russia, Siberia
2. USA, Canada
3. Northern Mexico (presumably the most prosperous and whitest area in the country, at least Monterrey is the most developed city in MX)

* Southern Hemisphere
4. Southern Cone : Argentina,Chile,Uruguay, Paraguay, Southern Brazil (Parana, Santa Catarina, Rio grande do Sul )
5. South Africa
6. Australia, New Zealand

We never heard of Central America, the caribbean or great part of South America being too prosperous in the past, still not in the present overall (hopefully future will look different), except by the Southernmost South America (aka) Southern Cone. My intention was never to come up with ideas of white supremacist sentiments but only to point out a funny correlation ive observed. Racially speaking is more than obvious that the southern cone still remains more homogenous than the avarage latin countries, (this means people from this region tend to have a more caucasian/european phenotypes or on their dna), yes the case of Chile can be debatable for some, but overall Chile is still more homogenous than to say Peru, Mexico, or northern brazil, even Colombia or Venezuela in general terms). The DNA tool is indeed very useful but it doesnt guarantee that a country population (appearance) would be of one specific race such as indigenous, black or asian. If we use the DNA composition only we all are (mestizos), (mix) or (mulato)., in the case of the southern cone is very easy to verify and see that most of the population is indeed mestizo like most part of america, but the difference is that the avarage person still look rather light skinned with more caucasian phenotypes than the avarage person from mexico, north brazil or peru as an example., whether if venezuela or colombia have more whites than a southern cone country, doesnt mean overall they are in fact (whiter), these countries still have a larger minorities of afrodescendants, multiracials or any other race comparing to the SC region.

2) Another point that keeps bothering me is that many here truthfully believe that having a large GDP, or having a good GDP per capita (which can vary from one year to another) proof that a country is doing better than others. Theres more than just those two methods to measure how well a country is doing. (Example), GINI , HDI, Women rights, Marihuana legalization and LGBT rights (yes thats an odd one but its the new thing). in all these measurament the southern cone still do not too bad and better than the avarage latin countries. Nobody should be predicting anything. Let's hope all the Latin countries develope all measurements of developments, not just gdp or gdp per capita . Those are the first steps .
In the first half of the 1500 Santo Domingo was said to be one of the richest cities in the world and its smack in the middle of the Caribbean. There are plenty of praises received by the city during the first half of the 1500. The spledour of Santo Domingo was such that it was often said to surpass the most beautiful cities of Europe. One of the things that attracted Sir Francis Drake to conquer the city in 1586 was the stories he heard in Europe of the city's great riches (see in the book Spain: Center of the World 1519 - 1682, they devote an entire chapter to that event).

In the 1700's the French created one of the richest cities in the world with more commerce with Europe than any city in the Western Hemisphere. It was known of the Paris of the West Indies, but officially it was called Cap Francais (modern Cap Haitien) on the northwest coast of Hispaniola. It is said that city had more gardens and fountains than any city in this hemisphere. In Europe the saying "as rich as a Saint Domingan" was considered very positive and even Adam Smith talks about the Saint Domingue rich colony in his Wealth of Nations book.

In the 1810s cities such as Mexico City, Quito, and Lima were considered the most luxurious places in the hemisphere and one of the richest cities of the world. William Walton speaks very detailed of Mexico City in his 1810 book Present State of the Spanish Colonies, at that time the richest city in the hemisphere.

At the end of the 1800s Havana in Cuba had become a city more rich and more modern than anything in Spain. Plus, it was also one of the richest places in the hemisphere.

For many years Bogotá was known as the Athens of the New World. Think about that.

There is plenty of evidence of wealth in the region spanning centuries. All one has to do is read historic books to figure this out. In the future many of these places will become the richest again, its only a matter of time.

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Old 05-29-2019, 06:07 PM
 
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In the first half of the 1500 Santo Domingo was said to be one of the richest cities in the world and its smack in the middle of the Caribbean. There are plenty of praises received by the city during the first half of the 1500. The spledour of Santo Domingo was such that it was often said to surpass the most beautiful cities of Europe. One of the things that attracted Sir Francis Drake to conquer the city in 1586 was the stories he heard in Europe of the city's great riches (see in the book Spain: Center of the World 1519 - 1682, they devote an entire chapter to that event).

In the 1700's the French created one of the richest cities in the world with more commerce with Europe than any city in the Western Hemisphere. It was known of the Paris of the West Indies, but officially it was called Cap Francais (modern Cap Haitien) on the northwest coast of Hispaniola. It is said that city had more gardens and fountains than any city in this hemisphere. In Europe the saying "as rich as a Saint Domingan" was considered very positive and even Adam Smith talks about the Saint Domingue rich colony in his Wealth of Nations book.

In the 1810s cities such as Mexico City, Quito, and Lima were considered the most luxurious places in the hemisphere and one of the richest cities of the world. William Walton speaks very detailed of Mexico City in his 1810 book Present State of the Spanish Colonies, at that time the richest city in the hemisphere.

At the end of the 1800s Havana in Cuba had become a city more rich and more modern than anything in Spain. Plus, it was also one of the richest places in the hemisphere.

For many years Bogotá was known as the Athens of the New World. Think about that.

There is plenty of evidence of wealth in the region spanning centuries. All one has to do is read historic books to figure this out. In the future many of these places will become the richest again, its only a matter of time.
Ok, I respect this history !. And it was so along ago... Southern cone didn't even exist !!.
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