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Old 07-16-2018, 01:04 AM
 
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As title says, what makes the Southern Cone region the most prosperous part of Latin America? Southern Cone refers to Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and Southern Brazil. What makes this region have higher HDI and GDP per capita than the rest of Latin America?


Also, Argentina was the heavyweight in this region but has recently been surpassed by Chile and Uruguay. Aside from some bad government decisions, are there any other reasons for this? Cultural or otherwise? Looking at some rankings, Chile and Uruguay rank very high in lack of corruption, while Argentina is perceived as very corrupt. While the region as a whole has good safety statistics, there are many instances of theft, burglary, swindling and warnings that tourists and other visitors need to be wary about in the region, with Chile and Uruguay not seemingly better than Argentina in these regards. And if Argentina has it so bad recently, are lots of Argentines moving to Uruguay or Chile?

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Old 07-16-2018, 08:10 AM
 
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Costa Rica's Central Valley weather is more temperate and stable than that of, say, Buenos Aires, which has very hot climate during summer.


It's not true that the Southern Cone cities have more temperate weather than other areas of Latin America. The weather in Bogota, Quito, Cuzco, Merida (Ven) and other Andean cities, and for most Mexican cities, is more temperate than that of cities like Bs As during the summer. The average temperature during the year is lower in Bogota or Quito (15ºC) than in Bs As (18ºC) or Montevideo (16.7ºC).
The ‘’temperate weater’’ really matter for agriculture, I think these cities have mild climate because they are in higher altitude but there is not a lot of lands available for agriculture as in souther cone.

Agriculture is the first industry, it distribuite more wealth than oil or minerium industry (the key of that area in L.A. the inequility is smaller), Europe and USA have strong agroindustry.
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:23 PM
 
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but there is not a lot of lands available for agriculture as in souther cone.
Not enough land by which standard? Compared to Brazil and Argentina perhaps but these are gigantic countries and are hardly representative of the world.

The Andean region in Colombia is as big as Italy another global agricultural powerhouse and is home to nearly 30 million people.


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andean_natural_region

Plenty of space for 'temperate' style agriculture...as seen in the videos...transport of this produce to ports is the main obstacle which Argentina or Southern Brazil don't really have.

















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Old 07-16-2018, 06:57 PM
 
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Not enough land by which standard? Compared to Brazil and Argentina perhaps but these are gigantic countries and are hardly representative of the world.

The Andean region in Colombia is as big as Italy another global agricultural powerhouse and is home to nearly 30 million people.


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andean_natural_region

Plenty of space for 'temperate' style agriculture...as seen in the videos...transport of this produce to ports is the main obstacle which Argentina or Southern Brazil don't really have.


















Top agricultural crops from Colombia are coffee, cut flowers (mostly roses with a notable absence of tulips), bananas and sugar cane. Coffee is particularly suited to grow at high elevation with mild temperatures. None of them are crops that are traditionally grown in temperate zones. Comparing with Southern Cone countries, the main agricultural crops are similar to that of Europe and USA.
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Old 07-16-2018, 07:48 PM
 
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Top agricultural crops from Colombia are coffee, cut flowers (mostly roses with a notable absence of tulips), bananas and sugar cane. Coffee is particularly suited to grow at high elevation with mild temperatures. None of them are crops that are traditionally grown in temperate zones. Comparing with Southern Cone countries, the main agricultural crops are similar to that of Europe and USA.
First of all, when you say Europeans you are being very general. Until recently the European diet really really sucked. All of way until the turn of the 19th century their main staple for most Nordic Europeans was barley, apples, beer, wheat, some pork, some lamb and dried fish, with hardly any vegetables nor fruits.
The southern Europeans had olives, wine,wheat, lots of beef meat and lots of fresh fish.

Thanks to the indigenous people, ant their vast amount of foods and vegetables the Europeans were able to finally improve their diet. With basic staples such as potatoes, corn, tomatoes, sweet potatoes, avocados, mangos, bananas, cherries and the list goes on and on that were not known in the European continent.
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Old 07-16-2018, 10:04 PM
 
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Top agricultural crops from Colombia are coffee, cut flowers (mostly roses with a notable absence of tulips), bananas and sugar cane. Coffee is particularly suited to grow at high elevation with mild temperatures. None of them are crops that are traditionally grown in temperate zones. Comparing with Southern Cone countries, the main agricultural crops are similar to that of Europe and USA.
You're talking about crops for export. I thought your analytical skills would be more advanced than that considering you have made informed past contributions to the forum.

Those crops are cash crops along with Avocados and Cacao with an overall higher value on the open market. The Tulip market is cornered by the Netherlands, the largest flower producer in the world. Colombia as the second largest flower producer in the world competes in other flora such as roses.

Colombia has plenty of temperate crops for domestic consumption from berries to cabbage to spinach to barley & potatoes - yes potatoes, a temperate crop native to South America. In fact every single fruit or vegetable can be and is grown successfully in Colombia. Not everything has to be grown for export especially when its not economically viable considering Europe and N. America already have local sources and the cost of transport from the Andes to the coast, then across an ocean is significantly high, making these crops unprofitable.
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:14 AM
 
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Continued...

Not to mention that the EU practises large subsidies for farmers which make produce unrealistically priced on the open market hence leading to 'Dumping', an economic practice which doesn't allow developing nations to compete in agriculture worldwide, especially that of temperate origin. Causing a level of dependence on buying food from wealthy countries for many countries.

Fortunately Colombia isn't really included in that as it has the climatic conditions to grow food from all climes including plenty of temperate crops to feed a domestic market of 50 million people.

Even Argentina doesn't export temperate crops. Barley and rice are mainly grown for domestic consumption. Its export crops are Corn and wheat. Corn being a native of Mesoamerica (Mexico-Colombia/Venezuela).
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:08 AM
 
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I don't think anyone in Latin America looks to Argentina as an example of prosperity in the region. At least not anymore. Buenos Aires is a beautiful city but I was a bit shocked to see some of its slum areas on google street view. I didn't think BA had areas like that. Chile seems to be better off. Costa Rica, Panama and Colombia are also doing quite well.
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:22 AM
 
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Not enough land by which standard? Compared to Brazil and Argentina perhaps but these are gigantic countries and are hardly representative of the world.

The Andean region in Colombia is as big as Italy another global agricultural powerhouse and is home to nearly 30 million people.


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andean_natural_region

Plenty of space for 'temperate' style agriculture...as seen in the videos...transport of this produce to ports is the main obstacle which Argentina or Southern Brazil don't really have.



















What you say is true and you get the point, countries like Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay made and make much money exporting food because they have large lands in ‘’temperate areas’’ in the truth most are in subtropical areas what is even better, in subtropical areas we have 2 or 3 crops trough the year in temperate climate it stops in the winters.

People have the wrong idea that agriculture is a poor business but we are not talking about subsistence agriculture but agro-business, the Europeans countries and USA make bucks of money with their exporting agro-business the difference is that they have strong industry and technological business too. Argentina almost nothing and Brazil only a bit.

So when the comodities prices are in high cycles Argentineans and Uruguayans lived like first worlder citzens as the center and souther Brazilians, (soy and meat are from Brazilian midwest) but when the prices are in low cycles we always have economical crises.
Brazil surffer less because it has more diverse economy than Argentina and Uruguay, but in another hand north and northeast Brazil are out of this big business so Brazil is in the average poorest than both. Another country coming up in this business is Paraguay only check how this country is growing.

I think here we have the answer what made the Southern cone prosperous.
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Old 07-17-2018, 10:27 AM
 
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Guys when you quote, edit my quote to only include the text otherwise you're posting visual media countless times unnecessarily. This over-saturates the page, I'm flattered that you find what I post relevant enough to re-quote but let's not go overboard.

Also Southern cone is not just Argentina/Uruguay/S.Brazil. Chile, a mainly mineral based economy isn't cut from the same mould as the others.
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