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Old 07-10-2019, 09:51 AM
 
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[quote=AntonioR;55540018]Mexico does recognize many of its indigenous ethnicities. They do use the language to define who is indigenous and who isn’t. As is anyone’s guess, that leaves many people that in reality are significantly mixed, but if they speak a native tongue as their mother tongue they are counted as indigenous. Mexico also have many people that are overwhelmingly or entirely indigenous. Most, however, has significant Spanish blood mixed in.

That country also has a mestizo identity that almost encompasses everyone. Even people that look mostly European and in DNA studies will have a European absolute majority would claim to be “mestizos”.

Lastly, Mexico also has a strong anti-Spanish sentiment. Its something that can be felt in many places, such as Mexico City. They even paint in many murals in Mexico City Hernan Cortez as an ugly guy despite that in reality he was very good looking. He was also a womanizer and probably left mostly unrecognized children in Spain, Hispaniola, Cuba, and in Mexico. In fact, he couldn’t go from Spain to Hispaniola when he wanted because he was injured by falling from a second floor sleeping with a married woman. For many years his remains were moved in Mexico City and kept a secret unless his tomb and remains was desecrated. He is buried in the Jesús de Nazareno church in Mexico City, not far from the Zócalo. Mexicans don’t really make such a big deal of his final resting place. In fact, there is a plaque commemorating his final resting place, but I think most visitors that would visit him leave Mexico City without doing so because no one tell them he is buried there.

The signs of Spain are everywhere in Mexico. Its probably the Latin American country with the most Spanish colonial cities around. Many Mexicans like Spain, but many others clearly don’t and are unabashed about it. I tell you one thing, Spain didn’t call Mexico as New Spain for nothing. lol[/QUOT

It doesn't make sense to me the anti Spanish sentiment in Mexico . If we , Latino americans in general get mad at the Europeans , it would be as if , the grandchildren getting mad at their grandparents for what they did , since most of us Americans have some degree of european and many being fully castizos . If there is a group the European own and apology is the (pure Indigenous communities) present all over America . But to see some white privileged white Mexican politician asking for an apology to Spain is hipocrite as hell when Mexico itself treats like crap to its indigenous
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Old 07-10-2019, 12:01 PM
 
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Your comment makes total sense to me. Always noticed how only the southern portion of Brazil is really relevant comparing to its other hugeee lands to the north . I also always heard the pampas area being the richest zone in the southern cone , after all Brazil and Argentina had a dispute over what is now today Uruguay . Brazil always wanted to reach the Rio de la Plata area. Another story very common to see is how much lands Brazilians purchase in Paraguay . (Paraguay has been invaded by Brazilians for the longest time apparently for its more fertile soils according to sources ).

And now with this Mercosur trade deal with the European Union everybody seems to be very happy, but again I can't understand why brazil can't stand on its own being the largest country in Latin America. Uruguay , Paraguay ,and Argentina have something Brazil doesn't . P
Brazil can’t stand on its own in trade negotiations because we are inside Mercosur we have to respect the partners, and we are in Mercosur for two main issues. 1 – Mercosur is very important market for Brazilian industry 2 – With Mercosur our neighborn are partners without Mercosur they could become rivals as Argentina used to be in the past. If even a small country like Paraguay or Uruguay become ally of some hostile external power we will be in troubles… with this politic Brazil for example doesn’t need expend much money with army.

In fact, Argentina has much superior geography than Brazil, how all its land is subtropical or temperate it is more fertile. How its land is flat from the coast to inner country and Argentina still has rivers running from interior to the sea what become cheaper transport to the port agro commodities to export.

These advantages helped Argentina used to be more competitive and productive (and richer) than Brazil in the past.

Souther Brazilians lands only had enough production to feed northern Brazilian cities. Sao Paulo state is located at tropic line but 800 meters above sea level so the land has very subtropical fertility, but in another hand we need down a mountain range to get the coast what in the past became more expensive than Argentina or USA for Sao Paulo produce the same agro stuff and export, but Sao Paulo had good climate to grow crops of coffee what made the wealth over here.

Nowadays with technology is possible growing crops of soy and others cultive in cerrado tropical lands and Brazil has infraestructure of roads and rail, and with the growing of asian countries with billions people eating more animal protein and all kind of food there is market for all Mercosur countries, Australia, New Zealand and USA.
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Old 07-10-2019, 03:45 PM
 
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]((( Brazil can’t stand on its own in trade negotiations because we are inside Mercosur we have to respect the partners. )))
..........Wow !! Ironic that one of the largest and most populous countries in the world like Brazil (have ) to respect to 2 of the smallest countries in the world (Paraguay and Uruguay ), plus Argentina which is not a big country comparing to Brazil. But it is shocking what youre stating yet it is realistic enough. There's Something about the southern cone I guess.
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Old 07-12-2019, 02:54 PM
 
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it's not about size, it's about what was signed when Brazil accepted to entered Mercosul, the rules of the bloc.
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Old 07-12-2019, 03:40 PM
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It doesn't make sense to me the anti Spanish sentiment in Mexico . If we , Latino americans in general get mad at the Europeans , it would be as if , the grandchildren getting mad at their grandparents for what they did , since most of us Americans have some degree of european and many being fully castizos . If there is a group the European own and apology is the (pure Indigenous communities) present all over America . But to see some white privileged white Mexican politician asking for an apology to Spain is hipocrite as hell when Mexico itself treats like crap to its indigenous
To me it is quite stupid. Most of the people that in certain ways are angry with the Europeans don't really think that the vast majority of the descendants of conquistadors are in Latin America. In fact, most conquistadors are buried in several Latin American countries. Many of them see part of a Spanish conquistador every time they look in a mirror, while most Spaniards simply don't.

Many Mexicans say insults to Spaniards when the Mexican has a much higher probability of descending of a Spanish conquistador while the vast majority of the Spaniards simply don't. There is a reason most Spaniards were born in Spain and not in Latin America. lol

People from the Americas have more to do with their history, historic buildings, etc than most of the people that were born in the other side of the pond.

It is what it is, but some of the stuff with some thinking about it simply doesn't make sense.
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Old 07-12-2019, 10:39 PM
 
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Can we just state the obvious that the southern part of South America has a higher percentage of White people than the northern part. Argentina is 60% white, Chile is 50%, Uraguay is 80% and Brazil is 50% with the south part of Brazil having a higher concentration. These countries were highly developed on par with the United States during the 1800s and early 1900s. Crime rates are higher than places with 90% white population like in Europe or parts of the U.S. but it is still lower than most of the north South American, Central American and Caribbean countries. Brazil is unique with a high black population which puts its cities on par with parts of Chicago, Johannesburg South Africa or certain parts of Paris where it is the same disproportionate amount of violence being committed by the aforementioned group. Outside of these areas it’s relatively safe. If it wasn’t for political and labor instability and the currency issues brought on by it Argentina would be an economic powerhouse. What a great country it is.
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Old 07-13-2019, 08:04 AM
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Argentina has had an economic crisis in just about every decade of the XX Century and it seems this century isn’t any different. In fact, it had become the Latin American country with the most crises. Many countries are catching up and Argentina itself is becoming poorer due to this. Add to this the immigration problem of recent years. Some slums in Buenos Aires has been created recently almost entirely by immigrants, mostly from Bolivia and Paraguay. Crime rates is also steadily rising.
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Old 07-13-2019, 04:51 PM
 
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Can we just state the obvious that the southern part of South America has a higher percentage of White people than the northern part. Argentina is 60% white, Chile is 50%, Uraguay is 80% and Brazil is 50% with the south part of Brazil having a higher concentration. These countries were highly developed on par with the United States during the 1800s and early 1900s. Crime rates are higher than places with 90% white population like in Europe or parts of the U.S. but it is still lower than most of the north South American, Central American and Caribbean countries. Brazil is unique with a high black population which puts its cities on par with parts of Chicago, Johannesburg South Africa or certain parts of Paris where it is the same disproportionate amount of violence being committed by the aforementioned group. Outside of these areas it’s relatively safe. If it wasn’t for political and labor instability and the currency issues brought on by it Argentina would be an economic powerhouse. What a great country it is.
We already discussed all of these topics , my first comment here was this .
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All the countries surrounding the artic and antartica just outside the totally tropical zone above and below the tropics of cancer and capricorn had the largest European migration and influence in the world .

Northern hemisphere
1) Europe, Russia , Siberia
2) USA , Canada

Southern hemisphere
3) Southern Cone : Argentina ,Chile , Uruguay , Paraguay and Southern Brazilian states of Rio grande do sul, Parana , santa Catarina , Rio de janeiro and Sao Paulo
4) South Africa (remember apartheid?)
5) Australia , New Zealand

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HOWEVER !!!!!!!!
Every single nation in the Americas has also significant European Diaspora , every single nation !!!!!!!! But not as much as those outside the tropical zone.

Another thing I have to point out is that , I have been leaving in Europe for a while and the Europeans themselves see the Americas as a single region , in their eyes Argentians , Mexicans and Brazilians are probably the same thing . As for the USA , yes the too get the illusion of the American dream but once they go there to see , the conclusion they make is that the USA is still America . Lol. Multiracial, undeveloped in mane areas .
I still defend the southern cone as a more progressive region in latin America in many areas but our weakness is our lack of being able to unify for our own development
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Old 07-15-2019, 07:07 AM
 
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Can we just state the obvious that the southern part of South America has a higher percentage of White people than the northern part. Argentina is 60% white, Chile is 50%, Uraguay is 80% and Brazil is 50% with the south part of Brazil having a higher concentration. These countries were highly developed on par with the United States during the 1800s and early 1900s. Crime rates are higher than places with 90% white population like in Europe or parts of the U.S. but it is still lower than most of the north South American, Central American and Caribbean countries. Brazil is unique with a high black population which puts its cities on par with parts of Chicago, Johannesburg South Africa or certain parts of Paris where it is the same disproportionate amount of violence being committed by the aforementioned group. Outside of these areas it’s relatively safe. If it wasn’t for political and labor instability and the currency issues brought on by it Argentina would be an economic powerhouse. What a great country it is.
You guys from America are mostly Multiracial and mixed with other races , the only true whites are still us the real Europeans. I met someone from Argentina who considered himself Italian but his looks shows otherwise, he looks rather meztizo or mulato but he's convinced he's Italian ����.

I think you have some phycological issues . First time I see a region supposedly white majority but it remains as a third third world country .
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Old 07-22-2019, 12:34 PM
 
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You guys from America are mostly Multiracial and mixed with other races , the only true whites are still us the real Europeans. I met someone from Argentina who considered himself Italian but his looks shows otherwise, he looks rather meztizo or mulato but he's convinced he's Italian ����.

I think you have some phycological issues . First time I see a region supposedly white majority but it remains as a third third world country .
you might be the one who is wrong, most Argentinians are of Italian decent but from southern Italy and Sicilian, people there tend to be very dark.
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