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Old 07-28-2019, 06:42 AM
 
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And yes there are 100 percent Africans, Arabs, Pakistanis, Indians, Asians with European passports. Europe gets a lot of third world immigration, including from Latin America. Anyone from the former Spanish colonial empire, including Equatorial Guinea, the Western Sahara, and the Philippines can get Spanish citizenship after living in Spain for two years. People from countries outside the Spanish empire have to wait ten years, unless they are refugees itís only 5 years. Or if they marry a Spanish citizen itís inky one year. Lots of Angolans move to Portugal and get Portuguese citizenship as Angola was a colony of Portugal, like Brazil. Lots of Anglo Caribbeanís and English speaking Africans, and Pakistanis moves to Britain and have English citizenship.

Lots of Francophone Africans and Arabs have French citizenship.

Of course these days people move all over Europe and not just to the country they had colonial or ancestral ties. The process is just easier. When I took one of the examinations for Spanish citizenship there were Africans, Pakistanis, Brazilians, Arabs, Indians, and Latin Americans.

People of all races can hold whatever EU passport.
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Old 07-28-2019, 03:17 PM
 
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A lot Of Europeans think and talk like this. Not at all. Iíve but at least he is honest. If someone obviously has non white in them, they will not see you as one if them. In short for them mulattos are Black and mestizos are Natives, even if they do have European citizenship.

I have Spanish citizenship. I look like any other Black guy because Iím mostly Black and it would be ridiculous for me to tell every one Iím mixed in order to try to white myself.

Be proud of your true self and people like your buddy in this forum have no leverage against you.

And he is right about poverty, corruption, and other serious socioeconomic problems in Latin America. He forgot to mention child prostitution and forced prostitution.

Why not focus on ways on ways of making Latin America better, instead of trying to whiten yourselves? Real whites will never give you acceptance along those lines because your premise is false.
Lol you know the truth
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Old 07-29-2019, 07:15 AM
 
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Not all of the Southern Cone is rich.
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:22 AM
 
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[quote=john620;55656639]Can we just state the obvious that the southern part of South America has a higher percentage of White people than the northern part. Argentina is 60% white, Chile is 50%, Uraguay is 80% and Brazil is 50% with the south part of Brazil having a higher concentration. These countries were highly developed on par with the United States during the 1800s and early 1900s. Crime rates are higher than places with 90% white population like in Europe or parts of the U.S. but it is still lower than most of the north South American, Central American and Caribbean countries. Brazil is unique with a high black population which puts its cities on par with parts of Chicago, Johannesburg South Africa or certain parts of Paris where it is the same disproportionate amount of violence being committed by the aforementioned group. Outside of these areas itís relatively safe. If it wasnít for political and labor instability and the currency issues brought on by it Argentina would be an economic powerhouse. What a great country it is.[/QUOTE


Argentina is a ****ty country that has been in crissis for 50 years straight.
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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a friendly reminder: 2018 HDI classification data
southern cone is more developed.

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Old 07-31-2019, 07:26 AM
 
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53 pages talking about this subject… lets say the truth

Argentina and Uruguay have lots of mestizos like any American country but they are still white majority countries, more than USA. Argentina is 70% white looking, Uruguay 90%. Nothing special being white in XXI century.

Yes Argentina has economic instability, specially currency instability (people there save money in US dollars), BUT people there are richer than the average Mexican, Colombian, Brazilian or Caribbean. Most Argentinean are middle class because three things; mindset (born in middle class families), education family background, saved money, properties and capital acumulate from former generations, BUT far from first world level of wealth, only some old money and older people more educated than average Latin American.
One example of middles class habits of the argentineas, every vacation 80% of them travel! In any spot beach destination along coastal Brazil, is finding Argentines in huge numbers. Colombians with a bit more population than Argentina, starting arrive only in last decade. I have been in Colombia few months ago althoug the country is in better shap economically than Argentina and people are becoming better off economically they aren't yet a middle class society.

The GDP only talks about money made in one year, if they make few bucks years less than others Latin American countries, they are still richer because the assets people have there.

Yes I know Argentineans were very arrogant because that and people from other Spanish countries annoyed about this arrogance, dennying one richer and whither Argentina, but both attitudes are inherent of human race. No one chooses born rich or poor or in any country.
Argentina was rich in the past, only because geographic conditions, (like countries have much oil today), and because that Argentina had huge european immigration and has huge white population nowadays… not the other way around.

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Old 07-31-2019, 07:35 AM
 
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And yes there are 100 percent Africans, Arabs, Pakistanis, Indians, Asians with European passports. Europe gets a lot of third world immigration, including from Latin America. Anyone from the former Spanish colonial empire, including Equatorial Guinea, the Western Sahara, and the Philippines can get Spanish citizenship after living in Spain for two years. People from countries outside the Spanish empire have to wait ten years, unless they are refugees itís only 5 years. Or if they marry a Spanish citizen itís inky one year. Lots of Angolans move to Portugal and get Portuguese citizenship as Angola was a colony of Portugal, like Brazil. Lots of Anglo Caribbeanís and English speaking Africans, and Pakistanis moves to Britain and have English citizenship.

Lots of Francophone Africans and Arabs have French citizenship.

Of course these days people move all over Europe and not just to the country they had colonial or ancestral ties. The process is just easier. When I took one of the examinations for Spanish citizenship there were Africans, Pakistanis, Brazilians, Arabs, Indians, and Latin Americans.

People of all races can hold whatever EU passport.
Also Brazilians.
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Old 07-31-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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One example of middles class habits of the argentineas, every vacation 80% of them travel! In any spot beach destination along coastal Brazil, is finding Argentines in huge numbers. Colombians with a bit more population than Argentina, starting arrive only in last decade.
Whilst I agree with all that you said this isn't really a fair indication as Brazil is far more accessible to Argentines than to Colombians, ticket prices are cheaper, road travel is possible and the main destinations are way way closer not to mention Argentines have practically no world class beach destinations which Colombia does have within its borders. Colombians are actually becoming an important tourist source market and it shows in their recent presence in Brazil, showcasing growing purchasing power. Colombians also make up the 4th largest visitor nation to Mexico (a top 10 travel destination by numbers) only behind US, Canada and UK and is set to surpass UK becoming the 3rd. Its also the 2nd largest LatAm visitor/investor country to the state of Florida only behind Brazil and a top 15 country Statewide and the 2nd LatAm visitor country to Dominican Republic another global hard hitter in terms of total numbers.

Finally, now that tourist Visa restrictions have been lifted for the EU, Colombia is now competing with Argentina (and will probably soon surpass it) for the 1st spot as the main source country from LatAm. Just to Spain (The worlds leading tourist receptor country) Colombia jumped from 330,000 in 2017 to 427,000 in 2018 whereas Argentina dropped from 747,000 in 2017 to 540,000 in 2018. Brazil also dropped from 2nd place to 4th place behind Mexico. You're right it takes a generation or two rather than just one years GDP but the seeds of change are showing and quickly.
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Old 07-31-2019, 09:12 AM
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With Colombia it depends on the country. In Chile people think that most Colombians are people that look like Africans because most Colombians over there are from the Pacific coast of Colombia. In Dominican Republic people think that Colombia is a very mestizo and white country because most Colombians in the DR look like that. In DR most Cubans are thought to be white while in Mexico the same nationality is thought to be black. It depends if a country has a community from that place and then what the people in that community tends to look like. A country like Colombia where people look different in different places has a different view depending of the country.
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Old 07-31-2019, 11:11 AM
 
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53 pages talking about this subject… lets say the truth

Argentina and Uruguay have lots of mestizos like any American country but they are still white majority countries, more than USA. Argentina is 70% white looking, Uruguay 90%. Nothing special being white in XXI century.

Yes Argentina has economic instability, specially currency instability (people there save money in US dollars), BUT people there are richer than the average Mexican, Colombian, Brazilian or Caribbean. Most Argentinean are middle class because three things; mindset (born in middle class families), education family background, saved money, properties and capital acumulate from former generations, BUT far from first world level of wealth, only some old money and older people more educated than average Latin American.
One example of middles class habits of the argentineas, every vacation 80% of them travel! In any spot beach destination along coastal Brazil, is finding Argentines in huge numbers. Colombians with a bit more population than Argentina, starting arrive only in last decade. I have been in Colombia few months ago althoug the country is in better shap economically than Argentina and people are becoming better off economically they aren't yet a middle class society.

The GDP only talks about money made in one year, if they make few bucks years less than others Latin American countries, they are still richer because the assets people have there.

Yes I know Argentineans were very arrogant because that and people from other Spanish countries annoyed about this arrogance, dennying one richer and whither Argentina, but both attitudes are inherent of human race. No one chooses born rich or poor or in any country.
Argentina was rich in the past, only because geographic conditions, (like countries have much oil today), and because that Argentina had huge european immigration and has huge white population nowadays… not the other way around.

Thats a wrong analysis, what happens is that those countries have very large populations and even if 70% of their population is in poverty the other 30% is a market large enough to be important for tourism, and travel.

The Argentinian middle class is large enough (in numbers) to support direct flights to beaches in Brazil and even as far as Punta Cana and Cancun. and even if the country goes to **** they still will have disposable income to spend. an small country like lets say panama, could have a larger and richer middle class (percent wise) but they will never be enough people for that market to be considerable.

if 30% of the Argentinians are middle class thats 15 million people.
if 50% of the Panamanians are middle class thats 2 million people.

if you are going to open a Cartier store, where would you put it?

of course you will see Argentinians all over the world, but do that make them richer? no.

You seem to like to cut the data to present the reality the way you want.
you insist in cutting southern Brazil from the rest of the country in order to argue that Brazil is richer than what it is.
now you want to cut the Argentinian upper class to say Argentina is richer than what really is.

stop doing that.

remember this: all the data we are dealing now marked 2018 is really from 2017, Argentina situation has deteriorated much more since
just this January poverty reached 32% and extreme poverty 7%. Since then GDP has fallen 2% and keeps falling. by the end of the year poverty could reach 40%!!


What to expect in the near future:

A drop on the HDI (as income is part of the equation and income has dropped)
GDP to drop 2% or maybe a bit less to 1.8%.
GDP-PPP to drop a lot due to inflation of 40%.

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