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Old 07-17-2018, 11:46 AM
 
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Guys when you quote, edit my quote to only include the text otherwise you're posting visual media countless times unnecessarily. This over-saturates the page, I'm flattered that you find what I post relevant enough to re-quote but let's not go overboard.

Also Southern cone is not just Argentina/Uruguay/S.Brazil. Chile, a mainly mineral based economy isn't cut from the same mould as the others.
50% of chilean exports are copper and its derivatives, but the other half fruits, salmon, wine, wood, corn, wheat etc... not that different. Chile exports US$ 62 billion, 2 billion more than Argentina and double than Colombia as exemplo.
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Old 07-17-2018, 01:35 PM
 
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50% of chilean exports are copper and its derivatives, but the other half fruits, salmon, wine, wood, corn, wheat etc... not that different. Chile exports US$ 62 billion, 2 billion more than Argentina and double than Colombia as exemplo.
More like 25% is agriculture rather than half and half of that is maritime exports, which as you say fish/frozen fish. Wine & grapes make up 5% of that 25%.

Historically Chile has been a mineral based economy as well as a transport/freight economy (before the Panama canal), growth in agricultural exports is relatively recent especially when comparing to Argentina/S.Brazil.
In order for Colombia to become competitive in agricultural exports it would need to build hundreds more tunnels to get produce to ports. This despite Colombia already having 8 of the 10 longest tunnels in Latin America.


Source: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:...noam%C3%A9rica

However this doesn't detract from the fact that Colombia has plenty of land for temperate crops. It's just used for the domestic market rather than for the export market, prohibited from exporting by transport/topography/profitability and land dispute issues i.e. Native Americans vs Africans vs White elites vs Mestizo campesinos vs illegal insurgent groups vs narcos vs government and plenty of overlaps.

Chile's main rise comes from the rooting out of corruption both at government and societal levels. This contrasts to the traditional Euro-migrant agricultural boom of Argentina/Uruguay and Southern Brazil. Hence why Chile is cut from a different mould.
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Old 07-17-2018, 02:19 PM
 
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More like 25% is agriculture rather than half and half of that is maritime exports, which as you say fish/frozen fish. Wine & grapes make up 5% of that 25%.

Historically Chile has been a mineral based economy as well as a transport/freight economy (before the Panama canal), growth in agricultural exports is relatively recent especially when comparing to Argentina/S.Brazil.
In order for Colombia to become competitive in agricultural exports it would need to build hundreds more tunnels to get produce to ports. This despite Colombia already having 8 of the 10 longest tunnels in Latin America.



However this doesn't detract from the fact that Colombia has plenty of land for temperate crops. It's just used for the domestic market rather than for the export market, prohibited from exporting by transport/topography/profitability and land dispute issues i.e. Native Americans vs Africans vs White elites vs Mestizo campesinos vs illegal insurgent groups vs narcos vs government and plenty of overlaps.

Chile's main rise comes from the rooting out of corruption both at government and societal levels. This contrasts to the traditional Euro-migrant agricultural boom of Argentina/Uruguay and Southern Brazil. Hence why Chile is cut from a different mould.
Is not impossible for Colombia overstake the naturals barriers to export its production. Nowadays in Brazil most of the agrobusiness for export is not in southern states, Sao Paulo and Minas Gerais. It is in Mato Grosso, Mato Grosso do sul, Goias and Rondonia, in the midwest Brazilian much far away from the coast than Andean Colombia. There is the trans-oceanica road crossing the Peruvian Andes as one of the routes to export.

Uruguay has similar level of corruption than Chile.
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Old 07-17-2018, 02:51 PM
 
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Is not impossible for Colombia overstake the naturals barriers to export its production. Nowadays in Brazil most of the agrobusiness for export is not in southern states, Sao Paulo and Minas Gerais. It is in Mato Grosso, Mato Grosso do sul, Goias and Rondonia, in the midwest Brazilian much far away from the coast than Andean Colombia. There is the trans-oceanica road crossing the Peruvian Andes as one of the routes to export.

Uruguay has similar level of corruption than Chile.
Of course its not impossible but its not profitable. The infrastructure is simply not there and it will take 4 x Switzerlands or Norways (in terms of tunnels) to make it so. Overcoming topography is far more expensive than overcoming distance. Also its different with soy and bovine produce from Brazil, there's more of a profit margin as one is a cash crop and the other is a meat.

It was golden tiger that raised the point on export crops and even Argentina or Brazil don't export temperate crops much partially due to economic 'Dumping' by the EU and other wealthy nations through farmer subsidies. A hindrance to the agricultural industries of developing nations.

On the other hand Peru's investment in irrigation systems and Andean foothills close to the coast are allowing it to poise itself as an agricultural powerhouse of the future.
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:08 PM
 
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Quoting from The Absent Superpower by Peter Zeihan:

"About midway down the continent's southeastern coast is a deep indentation called the Rio de la Plata-it's an estuary for a combined river system that is the second largest network of naturally navigable rivers on the planet. More than 'merely' providing this region with cheap and safe transport options, it also coincidentally overlays the world's fourth-largest chunk of temperate arable land."
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:35 PM
 
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Quoting from The Absent Superpower by Peter Zeihan:

"About midway down the continent's southeastern coast is a deep indentation called the Rio de la Plata-it's an estuary for a combined river system that is the second largest network of naturally navigable rivers on the planet. More than 'merely' providing this region with cheap and safe transport options, it also coincidentally overlays the world's fourth-largest chunk of temperate arable land."
Very true. Together with the British built railways and migrant farmers from Europe the scene was set for Argentina to become the first developed country in South America. Sadly this didn't last.
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:35 PM
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...rade_Agreement. If your country can feed itself with your own (temperate) crops, then your country is in a good position. In the case of Colombia, the country produces others things which are feasible to export.

The Southern Cone is another example of an area blessed in agriculture. And Argentina is poised to become an energy super power.

Argentina has a lot of potential.

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Old 07-17-2018, 07:41 PM
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The beautiful (main) cities of Argentina.

Buenos Aires


Mendoza


Córdoba


Salta


If you want to see any of these videos in full screen, simply click on the title of each video and it should direct you to their Youtube page. There you should be able to press the most lower right box on the video screen and see it in full screen. It's definitely worth it!

These cities (and much of Argentina) are fully photographed in Google Street View. Anyone can do a virtual tour of these beautiful and very developed places.
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Old 07-17-2018, 07:58 PM
 
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When I was in college, 40 years ago, I was acquainted with a pair of students-a married couple-from Rosario, Argentina.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otUHQcRdHqY

So, of course, I became interested in Argentina.
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Old 07-18-2018, 05:06 AM
 
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Of course its not impossible but its not profitable. The infrastructure is simply not there and it will take 4 x Switzerlands or Norways (in terms of tunnels) to make it so. Overcoming topography is far more expensive than overcoming distance. Also its different with soy and bovine produce from Brazil, there's more of a profit margin as one is a cash crop and the other is a meat.

It was golden tiger that raised the point on export crops and even Argentina or Brazil don't export temperate crops much partially due to economic 'Dumping' by the EU and other wealthy nations through farmer subsidies. A hindrance to the agricultural industries of developing nations.

On the other hand Peru's investment in irrigation systems and Andean foothills close to the coast are allowing it to poise itself as an agricultural powerhouse of the future.
Yeah, it is the reason of Mercosur didn't sign free trade agreement with EU, they don't give in to it. Main Market for Mercosur is China and whole Asia.
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