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View Poll Results: Should the Dominican Republic (be allowed to) join CARICOM?
Yes. 13 72.22%
No. 5 27.78%
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Old 11-17-2018, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Caribbean
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There's no way that people from the other CARICOM islands would immigrate to the Dominican Republic in large numbers if it were to join. Most other Caribbean islands are far better off than the DR as far as quality of life is concerned; some are even classified as straight-up developed countries by the UN.

Here is the UN's human development index for 2017; which measures income, health and education.

VERY HIGH HUMAN DEVELOPMENT (aka "developed countries"):
The Bahamas: #54/189 in the world
Barbados: #58/189 in the world.

HIGH HUMAN DEVELOPMENT:
Trinidad and Tobago: #69/189 in the world
Antigua & Barbuda: #70/189 in the world.
Saint Kitts & Nevis: #72/189 in the world.
Cuba: #73/189 in the world.
Grenada: #75/189 in the world.
St. Lucia# 90/189 in the world.
Dominican Republic: #94/189 in the world.
Jamaica: #97/189 in the world.
Saint Vincent: #99/189 in the world.
Dominica# 103/189 in the world.

LOW HUMAN DEVELOPMENT:
Haiti: 168/189 in the world.

Source: | Human Development Reports
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Old 11-18-2018, 08:08 AM
 
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There's no way that people from the other CARICOM islands would immigrate to the Dominican Republic in large numbers if it were to join. Most other Caribbean islands are far better off than the DR as far as quality of life is concerned; some are even classified as straight-up developed countries by the UN.

Here is the UN's human development index for 2017; which measures income, health and education.

VERY HIGH HUMAN DEVELOPMENT (aka "developed countries"):
The Bahamas: #54/189 in the world
Barbados: #58/189 in the world.

HIGH HUMAN DEVELOPMENT:
Trinidad and Tobago: #69/189 in the world
Antigua & Barbuda: #70/189 in the world.
Saint Kitts & Nevis: #72/189 in the world.
Cuba: #73/189 in the world.
Grenada: #75/189 in the world.
St. Lucia# 90/189 in the world.
Dominican Republic: #94/189 in the world.
Jamaica: #97/189 in the world.
Saint Vincent: #99/189 in the world.
Dominica# 103/189 in the world.

LOW HUMAN DEVELOPMENT:
Haiti: 168/189 in the world.

Source: | Human Development Reports
This is by far the most idiotic comment made in the forum. DR is already flooded with CARICOM citizens. Lest remember you that HAITi is a CARICOM country and there are about 2 millions Haitians in DR. The amount of caricom citizens in DR is just 20 times larger than the other way around. Caricom Has been flooding DR for decades now and even unleashed a campaign to force DR to naturalize all those immigrants . Joining Caricom will be the worst decision DR will ever make as it will be forced to accept many more millions of Caricom citizens in. All those "keys" with 50k people that you call countries with hight HDI are irrelevant, all the large Caricom countries (Jamaica, Guyana, Belice, Haiti) are poorer and less developed than DR.
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Old 11-18-2018, 02:19 PM
 
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This is by far the most idiotic comment made in the forum. DR is already flooded with CARICOM citizens. Lest remember you that HAITi is a CARICOM country and there are about 2 millions Haitians in DR. The amount of caricom citizens in DR is just 20 times larger than the other way around. Caricom Has been flooding DR for decades now and even unleashed a campaign to force DR to naturalize all those immigrants . Joining Caricom will be the worst decision DR will ever make as it will be forced to accept many more millions of Caricom citizens in. All those "keys" with 50k people that you call countries with hight HDI are irrelevant, all the large Caricom countries (Jamaica, Guyana, Belice, Haiti) are poorer and less developed than DR.

Trinidad has more people than Guyana and Belize...to say the rest all have 50k people is also wrong...seems like an emotional response for a topic that has pretty much determined by all to be a bad idea...DR has more total wealth than the rest...some CARICOM countries have a higher HDI...no big deal...this topic has run it course....its now a s_ talking contest
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Old 11-18-2018, 03:21 PM
 
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This is by far the most idiotic comment made in the forum. DR is already flooded with CARICOM citizens. Lest remember you that HAITi is a CARICOM country and there are about 2 millions Haitians in DR. The amount of caricom citizens in DR is just 20 times larger than the other way around. Caricom Has been flooding DR for decades now and even unleashed a campaign to force DR to naturalize all those immigrants . Joining Caricom will be the worst decision DR will ever make as it will be forced to accept many more millions of Caricom citizens in. All those "keys" with 50k people that you call countries with hight HDI are irrelevant, all the large Caricom countries (Jamaica, Guyana, Belice, Haiti) are poorer and less developed than DR.
No no...Haiti has been flooding the DR, not CARICOM in general. Others are far less likely to flood the DR when there are other nations that offer them a better quality of life. It’s the other smaller nations that are far more likely to be flooded with poor Dominicans, which they cannot handle.

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Old 11-18-2018, 07:01 PM
 
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This is by far the most idiotic comment made in the forum. DR is already flooded with CARICOM citizens. Lest remember you that HAITi is a CARICOM country and there are about 2 millions Haitians in DR. The amount of caricom citizens in DR is just 20 times larger than the other way around. Caricom Has been flooding DR for decades now and even unleashed a campaign to force DR to naturalize all those immigrants . Joining Caricom will be the worst decision DR will ever make as it will be forced to accept many more millions of Caricom citizens in. All those "keys" with 50k people that you call countries with hight HDI are irrelevant, all the large Caricom countries (Jamaica, Guyana, Belice, Haiti) are poorer and less developed than DR.
Although Haiti is a member of the Caricom its not fully integrated into the Caricom, it wasn't until recently have people been trying to integrate Haiti in to the CARICOM. You said Haitians have been flooding the DR for decades but Haiti has only been part of the CARICOM 2002, and still hasn't been functioning as a full member. This is why they haven't gone to other islands.

https://caricom.org/communications/v...ies-in-caricom

The point of these CARICOM countries having a higher HDI means they have no inclination to migrate to other islands. So its not likely they would just migrate to other islands.

Also with the smaller population the DR would not have a large influx of CARICOM citizens that would over burden the DR population. This is why with the few to 5000 thousand Dominicans in countries like Guyana and or 5k in the USVI does make difference since it would be more noticeable impact.
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Old 11-18-2018, 07:11 PM
 
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No no...Haiti has been flooding the DR, not CARICOM in general. Others are far less likely to flood the DR when there are other nations that offer them a better quality of life. Itís the other smaller nations that are far more likely to be flooded with poor Dominicans, which they cannot handle.
You dont get to treat CARICOM as a unit or as individual countries when is convenient.
Haiti is part of caricom and the fact is that more caricom citizens live in DR than the other way around at a rate of 20 to 1.
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Old 11-18-2018, 07:14 PM
 
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Although Haiti is a member of the Caricom its not fully integrated into the Caricom, it wasn't until recently have people been trying to integrate Haiti in to the CARICOM. You said Haitians have been flooding the DR for decades but Haiti has only been part of the CARICOM 2002, and still hasn't been functioning as a full member. This is why they haven't gone to other islands.

https://caricom.org/communications/v...ies-in-caricom

The point of these CARICOM countries having a higher HDI means they have no inclination to migrate to other islands. So its not likely they would just migrate to other islands.

Also with the smaller population the DR would not have a large influx of CARICOM citizens that would over burden the DR population. This is why with the few to 5000 thousand Dominicans in countries like Guyana and or 5k in the USVI does make difference since it would be more noticeable impact.
Haiti is a full member of CARICOM, the issue is that caricom has not implemented an open migration policy. but Haiti is a full member.
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Old 11-18-2018, 08:59 PM
 
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Haiti is a full member of CARICOM, the issue is that caricom has not implemented an open migration policy. but Haiti is a full member.
Haiti is a full member but not yet immersed and integrated in the Caricom. That's why they just had a meeting in 2018 to fully integrate Haiti in the CARICOM.


https://caricom.org/communications/v...ies-in-caricom

Any citizen from a country in the CARICOM can go to any other CARICOM nation with less restrictions and hassle on their VISA, if Haiti was full functioning member this wouldn't of been the case with Haitians traveling through the CARICOM islands.Haiti joined the CARICOM later than other countries in 2002 and didn't fulfill the criterion to be a full functioning member of the CARICOM,that's why you don't see Haiti having the same things CARICOM abilities as other CARICOM nations .
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Old 11-19-2018, 05:45 AM
 
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Haiti is a full member but not yet immersed and integrated in the Caricom. That's why they just had a meeting in 2018 to fully integrate Haiti in the CARICOM.


https://caricom.org/communications/v...ies-in-caricom

Any citizen from a country in the CARICOM can go to any other CARICOM nation with less restrictions and hassle on their VISA, if Haiti was full functioning member this wouldn't of been the case with Haitians traveling through the CARICOM islands.Haiti joined the CARICOM later than other countries in 2002 and didn't fulfill the criterion to be a full functioning member of the CARICOM,that's why you don't see Haiti having the same things CARICOM abilities as other CARICOM nations .
You got that wrong, Haiti is fully integrated to caricom. caricom has not applied its immigration chapter yet, the reason all other islands can move more freely rest on bilateral agreements not caricom, thats why Haiti has been excluded.
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Old 11-19-2018, 06:36 AM
 
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You got that wrong, Haiti is fully integrated to caricom. caricom has not applied its immigration chapter yet, the reason all other islands can move more freely rest on bilateral agreements not caricom, thats why Haiti has been excluded.
Check out the link I posted that would say otherwise,it clearly states Haiti is not integrated into the CARICOM.Do you think if Haiti was so integrated it would find the need to join the AU some years ago?

You are COMPLETELY WRONG thinking inter-island travel because of ''bilateral agreements''. If that was the case some friendly rivalry countries(like Jamaicans coming to Trinidad) would of decommissioned that long ago. You don't follow CARICOM politics to know this , so I can't fault you.

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