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View Poll Results: Should the Dominican Republic (be allowed to) join CARICOM?
Yes. 13 72.22%
No. 5 27.78%
Voters: 18. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-24-2018, 03:13 PM
 
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Lol....
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Old 10-24-2018, 06:43 PM
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It’s quite obvious that Dominicans don’t give the time of day towards those that might be racist. Why give importance to those that aren’t?

The race baiters, on the other hand, appear to have orgasms at the sight of a potentially racist. They definitely seem to give a lot of importance to them, as if its the oxygen that they need to survive. lol The racists and the race baiters are two sides of the same coin. It appears they need each other to have meaning in life. Those that aren’t simply don’t give importance to what doesn’t deserve.

Some members here should learn a thing or two from the Dominicans.


Upthere22 is right, this thread is about the DR’s acceptance into Caricom, which everyone knows will not happen. Without full membership and the DR is already making a killing from those tiny islands. Imagine how it would be with full membership. Those islands would become virtual colonies of Santo Domingo. lol
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Old 10-24-2018, 07:43 PM
 
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Give them enough rope and the true contempt will come out...some act as if there aren't years worth of evidence of their anti-Black bias but we can leave that for another day....the funny thing is most of us have said it doesn't make any sense already for this union



BTW, the perception of the DR being an extremely racist society would actually factor into the CARICOM decision along with the economic disparity issue...so race actually is important in this discussion and not "race baiting"...racists love using that term...just find it odd that you guys wouldn't defend your fellow Dominicanos from racial attacks...but I guess if one doesn't see something wrong with something, why would one protest it?
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Old 10-24-2018, 07:58 PM
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Give them enough rope and the true contempt will come out...some act as if there aren't years worth of evidence of their anti-Black bias but we can leave that for another day....the funny thing is most of us have said it doesn't make any sense already for this union



BTW, the perception of the DR being an extremely racist society would actually factor into the CARICOM decision along with the economic disparity issue...so race actually is important in this discussion and not "race baiting"...racists love using that term...just find it odd that you guys wouldn't defend your fellow Dominicanos from racial attacks...but I guess if one doesn't see something wrong with something, why would one protest it?
Defend from racial attacks? Lol

There are things you simply donīt understand.

Dominicans from regions where the lighter skin mixed predominates often perceive Dominicans to be as in their region, where the truly black are more often than not foreigners (mostly Haitians) with very few actually being Dominican. Those that are from darker mixed regions perceive Dominican society to be darker. Those that are from black areas often claim there are no white Dominicans and perceive the DR to be blacker than it is. Most Dominicans donīt travel from one region to another but rather live their lives in their region and when they do leave its either to go to Santo Domingo for some government diligence or to leave the country. Where people spend most of their time impacts their perception of things. This why most of the times claims that you consider racist often arenīt, but for someone not familiar with the DR itīs hard to understand this. Each region isnīt particularly tiny, which makes spending most if not all a life in one quite easy.

Truly racist Dominicans are very few and thatīs why the more often among Dominicans response is what in Spanish is known as ninguneo (show them their importance by not giving them the time of day).

The DR must be the only country that when anyone reads the descriptions foreigners wrote of the country back in the 1700īs, 1800īs, and much of the 1900īs its usually along the lines of “the Dominican people are predominantly of Spanish descent” (Hyatt in the 1920īs) or “Dominicans are a mixed race, much closer to white than black” (Samuel Hazard in 1871) or even “the free color population is small compared to the white, but large compared to the slaves” (Moreau de Saint Mery in 1791) while at the same time noting that the prejudice of color is almost unknown in the country (all writers already cited, plus many others). The only country where a relaxed attitude towards race and racial mixing was described for centuries by people that visited and traveled extensively through the country, but in the second half of the 20th century some have gone to great length to claim the opposite. Usually they tend to favor an unrestricted flow of Haitian migration and tie one thing with the other, completely ignoring the real basis of the issue.

It is a paradox. Most countries where race is seen from the outside looking in as a problem have centuries worth of evidences to that respect. The case of the USA is a perfect example. These are not countries that were described as the DR has been for centuries.

Caricom people need to stop believing the anti-Dominican propaganda and visit, truly get to know the DR as it really is. There is a City-Data member that lives in the Virgin Islands that not too long ago, in another thread, after visiting the DR said here in the forums that to him the DR didnīt appear to be as anti-black as is often said. His eyes are beginning to open up by simply visiting and understanding the real DR. The rest should do the same. Believe it or not, thereīs more anti-Dominican prejudices coming from the English Caribbean than vice versa, and I think that is evident in these forums.

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Old 10-24-2018, 08:51 PM
 
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Anti-Dominican prejudice? After what you wrote about tiny islands and colonies? Make sure you are not projecting the opinion of what you think city-data forumers believe on to the islanders in general....what if I was to think every Dominican has the same contempt for us that you showed a few posts above? Don't worry, I won't. I know enough decent Dominicans in the real world
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Old 10-24-2018, 09:53 PM
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Anti-Dominican prejudice? After what you wrote about tiny islands and colonies? Make sure you are not projecting the opinion of what you think city-data forumers believe on to the islanders in general....what if I was to think every Dominican has the same contempt for us that you showed a few posts above? Don't worry, I won't. I know enough decent Dominicans in the real world
Well, those islands are tiny (except Trinidad). The DR itself is a small country and yet the entire Lesser Antilles plus Jamaica, Haiti, and Bahamas combined fits within the DR and there is still plenty of land left). Most of the DR is sparsely populated given its size, which is something that isnīt true in any other Caribbean island or country except Cuba.

Greater economic dependency on one nation is usually referred to as a neocolonial relationship (which is something that is bound to happen if the DR is accepted as a full Caricom member, because the only country that actually has a strong export base towards the DR is Trinidad and Tobago and due solely to its natural gas, every other island is deeply in the red vis-a-vis the DR). You say thatīs contempt and I simply scratch my head.

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Old 10-25-2018, 07:32 AM
 
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Defend from racial attacks? Lol

There are things you simply donīt understand.

Dominicans from regions where the lighter skin mixed predominates often perceive Dominicans to be as in their region, where the truly black are more often than not foreigners (mostly Haitians) with very few actually being Dominican. Those that are from darker mixed regions perceive Dominican society to be darker. Those that are from black areas often claim there are no white Dominicans and perceive the DR to be blacker than it is. Most Dominicans donīt travel from one region to another but rather live their lives in their region and when they do leave its either to go to Santo Domingo for some government diligence or to leave the country. Where people spend most of their time impacts their perception of things. This why most of the times claims that you consider racist often arenīt, but for someone not familiar with the DR itīs hard to understand this. Each region isnīt particularly tiny, which makes spending most if not all a life in one quite easy.

Truly racist Dominicans are very few and thatīs why the more often among Dominicans response is what in Spanish is known as ninguneo (show them their importance by not giving them the time of day).

The DR must be the only country that when anyone reads the descriptions foreigners wrote of the country back in the 1700īs, 1800īs, and much of the 1900īs its usually along the lines of “the Dominican people are predominantly of Spanish descent” (Hyatt in the 1920īs) or “Dominicans are a mixed race, much closer to white than black” (Samuel Hazard in 1871) or even “the free color population is small compared to the white, but large compared to the slaves” (Moreau de Saint Mery in 1791) while at the same time noting that the prejudice of color is almost unknown in the country (all writers already cited, plus many others). The only country where a relaxed attitude towards race and racial mixing was described for centuries by people that visited and traveled extensively through the country, but in the second half of the 20th century some have gone to great length to claim the opposite. Usually they tend to favor an unrestricted flow of Haitian migration and tie one thing with the other, completely ignoring the real basis of the issue.

It is a paradox. Most countries where race is seen from the outside looking in as a problem have centuries worth of evidences to that respect. The case of the USA is a perfect example. These are not countries that were described as the DR has been for centuries.

Caricom people need to stop believing the anti-Dominican propaganda and visit, truly get to know the DR as it really is. There is a City-Data member that lives in the Virgin Islands that not too long ago, in another thread, after visiting the DR said here in the forums that to him the DR didnīt appear to be as anti-black as is often said. His eyes are beginning to open up by simply visiting and understanding the real DR. The rest should do the same. Believe it or not, thereīs more anti-Dominican prejudices coming from the English Caribbean than vice versa, and I think that is evident in these forums.

Exacly, DR has regions and those regions have their own definition of dominicaness, I am from the capital and there have always been an struggle between the Cibao region and the capital to the point that some presidents (during the 1800s) moved the site of the national government to Santiago in an attempt to make their region the heart of the country. This inter region struggle is not known outside the DR. People from the east tend to be darker and with a strong cultural link to the eastern Caribbean something that is unknown and almost foreign to the people of other regions (hence the questioning of their dominicaness).
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Old 10-25-2018, 09:36 AM
 
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Each region isnīt particularly tiny, which makes spending most if not all a life in one quite easy./QUOTE]

Good point the Cibao region alone has 5.6 million people, thats more people than any other Caribbean island and almost as much as all the English speaking Caribbean combined (around 6 million).
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Old 10-26-2018, 09:24 AM
 
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It’s not propaganda, we are simply stating facts about your country. And some of the facts are negative, like your pervasive anti blackness (this isn’t unique to DR), your export of prostitutes and low class status in ever nation in which you all exist in.
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Old 10-26-2018, 09:53 AM
 
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It’s not propaganda, we are simply stating facts about your country. And some of the facts are negative, like your pervasive anti blackness (this isn’t unique to DR), your export of prostitutes and low class status in ever nation in which you all exist in.
As Antonio explained clearly that anti-blackness thing is greatly exaggerated, BY people that always have their racist googles on.

Prostitution is legal in DR, As also is in most of Latin America. Only people with narrow, puritanical, misogynistic minds sets could think there anything wrong with that. Women can do as they please, is their constitutional right.

Only the POOR Dominican emigrate, middle class Dominicans travel for tourism but do not emigrate, why would they? But as I told you that only 30% of the country that is poor. You most likely have never interacted with he other 70% unless you went there.

And again, why are we talking about this? THIS IS NOT THE SUBJECT.
You managed (again) to bring the conversation to your favorite subject RACE
you need therapy.
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