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Old 10-06-2018, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Let's make Cuba, DR, PR, Panama and parts of the coastal areas of Colombia (and a bit inland to include Cali)...and make one country...what should we call it?

I'm basically grouping them that way as these 5 are all Spanish-speaking centered around the Caribbean, and have more of the African genetic mixed into their overall population.
Europe already tried colonialism in Africa, it didn’t turn out too well...
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Old 10-07-2018, 01:03 PM
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There are some things Puerto Ricans adopted from Americans that is taken for granted that doesn’t exist in the DR. For example, even though today Spain has a secular government, that’s a very recent change. For most of Spanish history there was no division of church and state.

Guess what. In most Spanish American countries they inherited the Spanish traditions from the Spain of the 1800’s and to this very day most of these countries don’t have a division of church and state.

The DR is no different in this regard. While Puerto Rico adopted the USA tradition of division of church and state, in the DR the church and the state have a close official relationship. The hints of this are everywhere. The input of the Archbishop is frequently sought after by Dominican politicians, with no major decision taken without taking the Roman Catholic Church’s opinion into account. Every government project (highway, bridges, buildings, parks, etc) are inaugurated with a Catholic priest spreading holy water and giving his blessings. Every single Catholic cathedral, church, and chapel are maintained by the Dominican government with all taxpayers money, including the taxes paid by the tourists. There’s even a chapel on the same property of the National Palace, where the president and his family plus main government ministers attend their private mass. Most national holidays are in fact Roman Catholic holidays with only about 4 or 5 national holidays actually having to do with the country’s independence or national heroes. Catholic religious values and beliefs are taught in the public schools in a class named simply “Religion.” The country doesn’t have one founding father but 3 collectively known as the Trinitarios in reminiscent of the Catholic church’s holy trinity (God, Son, and Holy Spirit). The virgin Mary, especially in Her manifestations as the virgin of Highest Grace (Altagracia) and virgin of Mercy (Mercedes) are greatly revered to the point that most public and private vehicles have a decal of the virgin on a corner of their windshields and their respective holidays are very important national holidays.

Even on the Dominican flag there is an open Bible as part of the coat of arms, the only flag in the world with a Bible. Not even Vatican City’s flag has a Bible. While the large white cross on the Dominican flag signifies the union of the different races and colors that makes up the Dominican people, just above the coat of arms is a Latin cross.

The photo below is of the judges of the Dominican Supreme Court. In front of the President of the Supreme Court (second from right) is none other that Jesus Christ.


https://vicepresidencia.gob.do/vicer...onstitucional/

While Puerto Rico is still a country heavily influenced by the Roman Catholic Church, as are all countries that were once a part of Spain; I don’t think most Puerto Ricans would feel comfortable with the lack of division of church and state that exist in the DR. Dominicans as a whole also agree that the close relationship between the church and the state is a positive thing.
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Old 10-07-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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There are some things Puerto Ricans adopted from Americans that is taken for granted that doesn’t exist in the DR. For example, even though today Spain has a secular government, that’s a very recent change. For most of Spanish history there was no division of church and state.

Guess what. In most Spanish American countries they inherited the Spanish traditions from the Spain of the 1800’s and to this very day most of these countries don’t have a division of church and state.

The DR is no different in this regard. While Puerto Rico adopted the USA tradition of division of church and state, in the DR the church and the state have a close official relationship. The hints of this are everywhere. The input of the Archbishop is frequently sought after by Dominican politicians, with no major decision taken without taking the Roman Catholic Church’s opinion into account. Every government project (highway, bridges, buildings, parks, etc) are inaugurated with a Catholic priest spreading holy water and giving his blessings. Every single Catholic cathedral, church, and chapel are maintained by the Dominican government with all taxpayers money, including the taxes paid by the tourists. There’s even a chapel on the same property of the National Palace, where the president and his family plus main government ministers attend their private mass. Most national holidays are in fact Roman Catholic holidays with only about 4 or 5 national holidays actually having to do with the country’s independence or national heroes. Catholic religious values and beliefs are taught in the public schools in a class named simply “Religion.” The country doesn’t have one founding father but 3 collectively known as the Trinitarios in reminiscent of the Catholic church’s holy trinity (God, Son, and Holy Spirit). The virgin Mary, especially in Her manifestations as the virgin of Highest Grace (Altagracia) and virgin of Mercy (Mercedes) are greatly revered to the point that most public and private vehicles have a decal of the virgin on a corner of their windshields and their respective holidays are very important national holidays.

Even on the Dominican flag there is an open Bible as part of the coat of arms, the only flag in the world with a Bible. Not even Vatican City’s flag has a Bible. While the large white cross on the Dominican flag signifies the union of the different races and colors that makes up the Dominican people, just above the coat of arms is a Latin cross.

The photo below is of the judges of the Dominican Supreme Court. In front of the President of the Supreme Court (second from right) is none other that Jesus Christ.


https://vicepresidencia.gob.do/vicer...onstitucional/

While Puerto Rico is still a country heavily influenced by the Roman Catholic Church, as are all countries that were once a part of Spain; I don’t think most Puerto Ricans would feel comfortable with the lack of division of church and state that exist in the DR. Dominicans as a whole also agree that the close relationship between the church and the state is a positive thing.

the church is holding them back.
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Old 10-07-2018, 04:24 PM
 
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No, its just Dominicans dont like Haitians at all, becuz of their tension and very terrible past together (the 2 had wars basically tryna kill each other off), their somewhat different culturally (ones Spanish speaking mulatto Latinos, the other is French Creole and very African), the Haitians are much poorer, and also most Dominicans have a dislike towards their African ancestry or dont really care for it (so naturely their going to despise the much blacker Haitians).

Puerto Ricans on the other hand have ALOT more in common. Both are Spanish speaking, mixed race Latinos (mulatto/triracial). There never was no actually beef except a friendly rivarly that largely died down. Both 98% of the time live in the same exact US neighborhoods so obviously they realize they have alot in common and like being around each other. And when Dominican Americans intermarry or create offspring with another group, 80% of the time its with a Puerto Rican and vice versa. Puerto Rico has a large Dominican population by the way sooooo yea they obviously like being around Puerto Ricans, cuz if not they wouldnt have stopped there, they would have continued there way to the US mainland.

Pros for DR: Puerto Rico's strategic location can turn it into a Caribbean trading hub, similar to Singapore in Asia.

Pros for PR: Dominican Republic's larger size provides for a bigger and more dynamic agriculture sector.

Pros for both: Larger country= larger military, this is especially a pro for smaller Puerto Rico. There also literally right next to each other, not 1000s of miles away from one another, more like 100 miles from Eastern DR and Western PR (the distance between NYC and Philly), with no other country between them and only a small waterway separating them (Mona Passage).

Cons for both: Even tho they are extremely similar, both have a strong national identity.... but sooo does Texas, Quebec, and Catalonia. Atleast PR and DR is similar, Puerto Rico is not like any US state culturally (not counting their tiny Latin Caribbean communities).

The union would be more of a Trinidad and Tobago "brother" relationship, and not a United States "father/son" relationship.

Trust me bro, I live in the Dominican Republic RIGHT NOW, and was raised around Dominicans in NY as a child, I know what Im talking about. You are right, many of them would rather die a million times over than to unite with Haiti. And likely wouldnt like to unite with most other countries. But theres a few, I few like DR wouldnt mind uniting with and Puerto Rico is definetly one of them, off the strength that their super similar culturally and have a positive relationship.

For the record, I've been to San Juan, Arecibo, Ponce, Mayaguez; y en el campo tambien.
That said, I feel it's a great idea.
Unlike the U.S., both countries have a higher sustainability rate due to more residents involved in agriculture. The DR and PR culturally and historically are more similar than any other 2 countries in Latin America.

DR, PR, and Cuba should become one, then kickout the Haitians; which will all come to the U.S.
lol
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Old 10-22-2018, 05:45 PM
 
Location: In Miami but, Inside the Resistance !!
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Let's make Cuba, DR, PR, Panama and parts of Colombia...and make one country...what should we call it?
That is more than a DREAM from a Dreamer....A Nightmare and It will never happen in anybodys lifetime on Earth. While Earth remains Whole

Its worse than mixing water and Oil...Chileans and Argentinians, Peruvians and Ecuadorians. USA and Mexicans...A Dorian Dream.
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Old 10-25-2018, 04:19 AM
 
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Cubans hate all those people to death.
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