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Old 09-25-2018, 12:53 PM
 
Location: White Rock BC
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The ONLY thing that would provoke anyone into military intervention in Venezuela is if Maduro began to threaten Colombia. Colombia's Latin American friends would never allow it and the US, Canada, and the major European powers would rally to Colombia's defense and Maduro knows it.


Outside of that, what in God's name would provoke anyone to invade Venezuela? One has to remember that Venezuela is not only an economic basket case but also a very dangerous country and arguably the most violent in the world save countries already at war. It would make Iraq look like a walk in the park. It is a failed state and such a direction would probably embolden Maduro, his supporters, and many Venezuelans. He would proclaim that he was right all the time...………..the US & Western powers are to blame for Venezuela's woes with the intention of taking over the country and many would then rally around the flag thinking that maybe Maduro was right.


Added into all of this is a war weary American public who have had enough of military ventures so there would be no public support and Washington knows it. If Maduro's opponents are counting on military support from the West they will be upset bordering on delusional.
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Old 09-25-2018, 08:06 PM
 
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It was a mistake. Also, Dominican Republic voted overwhelmingly to join the US a century ago but was rejected by US congress

The US could have taken Cuba and Dominican Republic, compensated and relocated all non-whites to Central or South America (such as Colombia and Panama), and finally make Cuba, Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic form a single powerful US state just like Hawaii


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Especially when considering you bought Alaska instead.

I think the US should americanize and annex the whole Caribbean. I'm surprised trump lets cuba exist. Haiti might take a lot of work tough.



Alaska was a great deal long term. tons of oil and resources.


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The ONLY thing that would provoke anyone into military intervention in Venezuela is if Maduro began to threaten Colombia. Colombia's Latin American friends would never allow it and the US, Canada, and the major European powers would rally to Colombia's defense and Maduro knows it.


Outside of that, what in God's name would provoke anyone to invade Venezuela? One has to remember that Venezuela is not only an economic basket case but also a very dangerous country and arguably the most violent in the world save countries already at war. It would make Iraq look like a walk in the park. It is a failed state and such a direction would probably embolden Maduro, his supporters, and many Venezuelans. He would proclaim that he was right all the time...………..the US & Western powers are to blame for Venezuela's woes with the intention of taking over the country and many would then rally around the flag thinking that maybe Maduro was right.


Added into all of this is a war weary American public who have had enough of military ventures so there would be no public support and Washington knows it. If Maduro's opponents are counting on military support from the West they will be upset bordering on delusional.

It would be stupid to invade venezuela. Just let it implode. It will teach latin america that socialism is a lie. Venezuela should be one of the richest countries in south america. This is purely bad management and people voted chavistas in. They deserve who they vote for.
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Old 09-26-2018, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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Since u are in the UK, let me remind you that the US ensured that no war took place in Western Europe since world war 2 when the US achieved superpower status. Did the US do it with purely good intention? Likely not
What every country does is for strategic reasons, not for good intentions. The "good intentions" are what's given to the public in order to get the public's support for the real underlying reason.

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and the US probably had its own agenda, but it was able to succeed in maintaining peace and prosperity in Western Europe after centuries of conflicts in Western Europe. If you think the US was that bad
They may have helped maintain peace in Europe, but while they were doing that they sure had a large direct role in screwing up Latin America.
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Old 09-26-2018, 09:42 AM
 
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The ONLY thing that would provoke anyone into military intervention in Venezuela is if Maduro began to threaten Colombia. Colombia's Latin American friends would never allow it and the US, Canada, and the major European powers would rally to Colombia's defense and Maduro knows it.
Maduro's been threatening Colombia (at least in words) for a long time. And the FARC/Venezuelan government connection has been a real source of destabilization in Colombia for a long time.
But, is this reason for anyone to invade Venezuela? No.
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Old 09-30-2018, 11:11 PM
 
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I think the US should americanize and annex the whole Caribbean. I'm surprised trump lets cuba exist. Haiti might take a lot of work tough.



Alaska was a great deal long term. tons of oil and resources.





It would be stupid to invade venezuela. Just let it implode. It will teach latin america that socialism is a lie. Venezuela should be one of the richest countries in south america. This is purely bad management and people voted chavistas in. They deserve who they vote for.
Granting everyone in the Caribbean US citizenship and voting rights? This suggests a very different US national government, one in which someone like Trump would never be elected to office. Plus the US national government would not want to assume responsibility in building up the Caribbean.

Unless you're advocating genocide/Nazi solutions, and if you are SHAME on you.
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Old 10-04-2018, 10:18 AM
 
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If they have the military strength whos to stop them? I thought You said Maduro had no support?

they have the military strenght but they might be afraid to attack Modoro for many reasons. They are involved in serious corruption frameworks. A negociation Venezuela militaries / US government is needed in order to have a smooth political transition.


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Strawman? And you were the one accusing others of soundling like a leftist. JA!.....Socialism in Venezuela has not worked out the well. It is not as bad in other countries. Are you going to tell me capitalism has worked out great in Latin America? I can go to pretty much any countryin the region and find people living in dumps.......But it is not cool to point out the flaws in others because they are not socialist.
Living conditions for Venezuelans are much worse than in any other neighboring country, and they are worsening as days and months go by.

2 million people left the country in just a couple of years, such exodus never ocurred in other country in the region.

no LatAm country saw its economy contract 30 or 40% in just 2-3 years.

among many other issues.


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The way you view Venezuela is the same way many people viewed Colombia for a long time...

...Again what you say about Venezeula is the same thing people said about Colombia just a couple decades ago.
not at all. Colombia has never been seen as a (semi) dictatorial regime consuming itself in such way. Nothing to do with what is happening down east.

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It would be stupid to invade venezuela. Just let it implode. It will teach latin america that socialism is a lie. Venezuela should be one of the richest countries in south america. This is purely bad management and people voted chavistas in. They deserve who they vote for.

the problem is that it already imploded. It is imploding in slow motion and it is affecting Colombia heavily
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Old 10-04-2018, 11:07 AM
 
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I think the US should americanize and annex the whole Caribbean. I'm surprised trump lets cuba exist. Haiti might take a lot of work tough.



Alaska was a great deal long term. tons of oil and resources.





It would be stupid to invade venezuela. Just let it implode. It will teach latin america that socialism is a lie. Venezuela should be one of the richest countries in south america. This is purely bad management and people voted chavistas in. They deserve who they vote for.

In addition to being cruel to 10s of millions of people it won't teach them any such thing. Venezuela has been Capitalist - and failed. They have been Communist - and failed. How do you think that crazy Chavez got into power in the first place ?



In the meantime the avg Venezuelan suffers and so do all of Venezuela's neighbors. We should work with the OAS and decide on a joint action - perhaps even joint troops. Certainly many would welcome such interference and maybe (just maybe) they (VZ) could get back on right track.
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Old 10-04-2018, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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In the meantime the avg Venezuelan suffers and so do all of Venezuela's neighbors. We should work with the OAS and decide on a joint action - perhaps even joint troops.
Nobody should do this unless the population of the country as a whole asks for outside help.
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