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Old 09-19-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Peru, Chile, Paraguay, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, Panama and St. Lucia; member countries of the OAS supported Lima group pressed for the official signing of a pledge to completely rule out any military intervention in Venezuela.

Canada, Latin American allies at odds over Venezuela intervention pledge - CBC news

Canada, Colombia and Guyana although still opposed to any armed action refused to sign the pledge.


Colombia also withdrew from Lula-Chavez's baby UNASUR citing silence on Venezuela and accusing the bloc of being an accomplice to Venezuela's dictatorship.

Colombia's president Duque says will withdraw from Unasur bloc | Reuters
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Old 09-19-2018, 11:13 AM
 
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Venezuelan vlogger in Colombia is surprised to see a Calais style "the Jungle" camp in the centre of Bogota next to the Bus terminal. He states that he thought it was Colombian media sensationalism until he saw it with his own eyes.

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Old 09-19-2018, 04:19 PM
 
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Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Peru, Chile, Paraguay, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, Panama and St. Lucia; member countries of the OAS supported Lima group pressed for the official signing of a pledge to completely rule out any military intervention in Venezuela.

Canada, Latin American allies at odds over Venezuela intervention pledge - CBC news

Canada, Colombia and Guyana although still opposed to any armed action refused to sign the pledge.


Colombia also withdrew from Lula-Chavez's baby UNASUR citing silence on Venezuela and accusing the bloc of being an accomplice to Venezuela's dictatorship.

Colombia's president Duque says will withdraw from Unasur bloc | Reuters
Well, Columbia and Guyana directly border Venezuela so it is understandable that they are more concerned about what is going on there than say.... St Lucia! It is easy for countries that are further from the potential disaster to say how peaceful they are and would never interfere in another country's problems. It is a little harder for Columbia to do that.

As for Canada? Perhaps they are just being honest and want to keep their options open if things get so bad in Venezuela that intervention might be required for humanitarian reasons. Maybe not St. Lucia, but I would think that larger countries like Brazil, Argentina and Mexico should be doing the same thing as Canada.
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Old 09-19-2018, 05:13 PM
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I donīt want to blame Barack Obama, but there was a time in his presidency that he could had intervened in Venezuela and perhaps this mess could had been avoided.

A similar situation took place in Syria. There was a time when Obama could had intervened and destroy Isis when it was a growing but small force. He chose to do nothing and Isis simply grew exponentially. Too many lives destroyed, girls raped, artifacts of human history pulverized that could had been avoided had Obama done something on time.
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:39 AM
 
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I donīt want to blame Barack Obama, but there was a time in his presidency that he could had intervened in Venezuela and perhaps this mess could had been avoided.
At the time of Obama there was still huge local support for the Chavista government, remember Maduro was a democratically elected president just in 2013 (only 5 years ago). Remember the pouring multitude of sorrow over Chavez's death? It would've been yet another "US invading countries for oil" conspiracy and the POPULIST left in Latin America would've been empowered and would probably still be in power on the continent as a response. Even till this day around a quarter of the population consider themselves "Chaviztas/revolutionaries".

Perhaps one of the reasons Chavez governed so long was the US backed attempted coup of his government in 2002. US intervention is always messy, unfortunately this is an issue for the region with lacklustre leaders.
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Old 09-20-2018, 07:39 PM
 
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I donīt want to blame Barack Obama, but there was a time in his presidency that he could had intervened in Venezuela and perhaps this mess could had been avoided.

A similar situation took place in Syria. There was a time when Obama could had intervened and destroy Isis when it was a growing but small force. He chose to do nothing and Isis simply grew exponentially. Too many lives destroyed, girls raped, artifacts of human history pulverized that could had been avoided had Obama done something on time.
The U.S. needs to stop invading countries. The U.S. can barely afford healthcare, public infrastructure, and education for it's own citizens.

It's a tragedy what is going on in Venezeula. But if the U.S. doesn't take better care of it's own citizens, I wouldn't be surprised if some misplaced Civil War ensues as people bicker about X,Y,Z morsels; while the real root of their problems is the exorbitant amounts of money it spends invading and occupying other countries.

It also doesn't help the U.S. in any way. It isn't seen as a better county for it. It does nothing for the individual lives of American citizens, except takes away more money that could go to education, healthcare, or public infrastructure.

Colombia 'using military invention with' Venezuela makes sense. The issues in Venezuela directly effect their borders, their country, their people, their public spaces, their cities, etc.
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:00 PM
 
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For Canada this position has little to do with the situation in Venezuela than it does the situation in Washington. Ottawa has been very careful not to rock any boats with Trump while the precarious free-trade talks continue. For Canada signing such a pledge just comes at an inconvenient time but Canada has been very clear of what it thinks of Maduro by kicking out Venezuelan diplomatic staff.

There is no way in hell Canada would support any military intervention in Venezuela little alone participate in it. Canada has always had a very different foreign policy perspective than the US. Despite great pressure by Bush and a lot of condemnation in US political circles and the media, Canada flatly refused any participation in the Iraq war.
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Old 09-22-2018, 09:20 AM
 
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Shameful. A clean and quick -as possible- military intervention against Modoro, Noriega-style, forcing him and his cronies to flee the country is, at this point, perhaps the only chance for a real change in Venezuela. The ones who say that such thing would divert into a civil war, are Modoro's accomplices, one way or another. No one is with Modoro in Venezuela, no one should be, neither the military, nor the people, nor anyone.
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Old 09-22-2018, 10:25 AM
 
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No one is with Modoro in Venezuela
Not true. He has a lot of support still.

The situation with Noreaga was different. Military intervention is a terrible idea, If Colombians and Guyanese want military intervention in Venezeula they should try it with their own resources and man power.
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Old 09-22-2018, 11:41 AM
 
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why would he have any support? What good has he made to anyone? Even military men are suffering from lack of food and such. The only support he could have is the one from public workers and such people that depend on public money. But under a new government they would probably be much better off than now.
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