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Old 07-29-2019, 08:38 AM
 
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Funny, I have to say that for the longest time i have always heard the Puerto ricans where noticeable more white than Dominicans, but i was waiting for a flight in JFK and there was a flight to PR in the next gate, and the two groups where indistinguishable from each other. so ether puerto ricans are darker then commonly believed or Dominicans are lighter.
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Old 07-29-2019, 08:46 AM
 
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Dominicans of all types (except the younger ones in the DR and those that were born and lived mostly abroad) will say that the DR population has gotten darker through the years. It doesn't matter if the person is from the city or countryside, white, black, every type of mixture, their social class; they all say the same thing. I have even seen people surprised that some Dominican places shown on TV there are more darker people than they remember. At other places the population has changed tremendously in a short time.

With Puerto Ricans I only heard one person say there are more mixed people in the younger generations than in the older ones. It is a topic I haven't dwell too much, but maybe I'll do an experiment within the next few years.
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Old 07-29-2019, 10:56 AM
 
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Dominicans of all types (except the younger ones in the DR and those that were born and lived mostly abroad) will say that the DR population has gotten darker through the years. It doesn't matter if the person is from the city or countryside, white, black, every type of mixture, their social class; they all say the same thing. I have even seen people surprised that some Dominican places shown on TV there are more darker people than they remember. At other places the population has changed tremendously in a short time.

With Puerto Ricans I only heard one person say there are more mixed people in the younger generations than in the older ones. It is a topic I haven't dwell too much, but maybe I'll do an experiment within the next few years.
Can you discuss other topics besides color?

Such as the overall economy, the flora, the fauna, etc.

Itís pretty pathetic if all you and your buddies can discuss is who is darker. Do you really have so little going on for yourselves? Talk about lack of education and even overall intellect.

Youíre a disgrace to any rational, stable Dominican.
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Old 07-29-2019, 11:16 AM
 
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No one is my family is Caribbean. Youíre the one from the same island as your Haitian brothers and sisters. I live in first world Spain and have no use for either nation in Hispaniola.

And letís be real the DR is centuries from first world and nothing compared to an European Union nation.
Only thing is you're not a Spaniard and wake up call is many people in Spain will have a problem viewing you as one.Getting Spaniard citizenship through Jewish ancestry is a double edged sword, lets just hope Europe and Spain doesn't get another wave of antisemitism. Some parts of Europe are already experiencing that.
Plus there are many hard right people in Spain that are very much xenophobic.

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Not even two months after taking office, Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez is facing his first significant political crisis. Last week, dramatic images of hundreds of African migrants jumping over the Ceuta border fence rocked public opinion. According to the Spanish Association of Civil Guards (AEGC), 22 police officers were injured in the assault, which ended with 602 people successfully reaching the Spanish exclave in Northern Africa.

The incident came in addition to the number of migrants crossing the Strait of Gibraltar in rafts, which has been above average this summer. Over 22,000 migrants have reached Spain illegally from Africa, according to data from the Spanish Interior Ministry. The summer weather and the closure of the Italian and Greek routes are the main drivers behind the increase in numbers.
Its hilarious that bigots like you want to talk about Dominicans self-hate not liking their blackness blah blah, but what to emphasize your Spaniard citizenship because of your great great great extra granddaddy,thing is you probably even knew who your dad was.
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Old 07-29-2019, 12:09 PM
 
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Can you discuss other topics besides color?

Such as the overall economy, the flora, the fauna, etc.

Itís pretty pathetic if all you and your buddies can discuss is who is darker. Do you really have so little going on for yourselves? Talk about lack of education and even overall intellect.

Youíre a disgrace to any rational, stable Dominican.
this OP is to talk about immigration, of you want to talk about fauna, open a different tread.
and just to be clear THE US IS TH MOST RACIAL CENTERED COUNTRY ON EARTH.
basically they talk about race every minute of every day.

In latam you can spend months and do not hear the word race. thats not a topic people talk or that they care much.

race in latam is an afterthought.
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Old 07-29-2019, 08:05 PM
 
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War between the two would really result in US occupation for the entire island and a merger that way. The entire island cannot take in the US militarily.
Forgot all about the US occupations in the DR. US intervention is unlikely now, because DR has stronger ties with China. But even if the US occupies the island (and its turned a blind eye without China backlash) , I doubt the US would merge the DR with Haiti. The US occupied the entire island twice, first in the 1920s and again in the 1960s. US made a defined border the first time and both times the US enforced it and patrolled it.
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Old 07-30-2019, 02:03 AM
 
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what are they waiting to take a million of haitians in?, if they love them so much.


that historical love is pure BS. haity need help real help, no fake admiration for something that happened 200 years ago. cut the BS, caricom has done everything in their power to do not help.


take half a million haitians in and then caricom can talk.
My post said the English-speaking Caribbean, not Caricom. Caricom includes more than the English-speaking Caribbean and doesnít include all the English-speaking islands either. So let me repeat, the English-speaking Caribbean does not hate Haiti. The historical admiration is just that. These nations must care for their citizens and deal with any illegal immigration issues they currently have. They donít need to take in a million Haitians to prove any love for Haiti. Illegal Haitians and Dominicans are already in many English-speaking Caribbean nations.

Trinidad, for example, has already contributed monetarily to Haiti but has it own immigration issues. It has long had illegal Guyanese, Venezuelans, Dominicans (DR), Grenadians, Colombians, Jamaicans, Surinamese, Cubans etc to handle. After Hurricane Maria, it took in citizens from Dominica. Now the island has thousands upon thousands of illegal Venezuelans with no end to their immigration in sight. They are currently being registered.

Guyana is also dealing with an influx of Venezuelans.

Leave the English-speaking Caribbean alone.
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Old 07-30-2019, 04:33 AM
 
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The US government may not support or not support the merger, but there are very organized groups that certainly does. In fact, its well known and documented that one of the biggest criticism of the existence of the DR comes out of and is directed from the USA. The documents in recent years are available for free for anyone that wants them in the DR.

I don’t know the increasing ties to China greatly affects this, but for most of recent history the US was the only global superpower, did what it wanted, and got away with it.
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Old 07-30-2019, 05:09 AM
 
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There are three areas of the world that has been criticizing the DR for most. First is the longest and comes out of Port-au-Prince, Haiti. That goes without saying, IMO. There are many articles and books published in Port-au-Prince where the DR is the center of attention in a not so good way. The most recent one was a book published by Mrs Manigat that, among other things, said that Dominicans will have to erase certain aspects of their history to make the fusion of the DR into Haiti a much quicker. Manigat is a very active political family in Haiti. In the past there were fake anti-Dominican articles that was invented in Haiti and taken by Haitian diplomats to several organizations in the US. Even some of the main newspapers of the US and some senators in the US Senate got money from the Haitian government to have an anti-Dominican stance. This is documented.

The other is the Caricom organization in the Caribbean. They have a tendency to unite with the Haitian case in this. The DR has been trying to join Caricom since the 1980s and there is always a reason that they give for why the DR shouldn’t join yet.

The other ones comes out of the USA, which tends to side with Haiti.

Through the years Haiti has been diplomatically the country that had the most presence internationally. That is the case from a diplomatically stand and also a large intellectual stance that often writes anti-Dominican propaganda mostly in Canada and the USA. For example, main libraries of Montreal has so much information, articles, and books on Haiti past and present, while very little of the DR. It always dumbfounded Dominican intellectuals that stumble upon this. It was so that many people around the world knew of Haiti and the DR was unknown to them. The DR has been more of a hermetic country, really opening to much of the world starting in the new administration in 1996. Until then, the country hardly had an international presence and Dominican presidents hardly left the DR for anything.

Those three is the origin of the vast majority of the anti-Dominican propaganda.

The biggest supporters of the DR has been Spain and most Spanish American countries, which is a given. Everyone else stay out due to not caring or not being aware.
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Old 07-30-2019, 06:13 AM
 
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There are three areas of the world that has been criticizing the DR for most. First is the longest and comes out of Port-au-Prince, Haiti. That goes without saying, IMO. There are many articles and books published in Port-au-Prince where the DR is the center of attention in a not so good way. The most recent one was a book published by Mrs Manigat that, among other things, said that Dominicans will have to erase certain aspects of their history to make the fusion of the DR into Haiti a much quicker. Manigat is a very active political family in Haiti. In the past there were fake anti-Dominican articles that was invented in Haiti and taken by Haitian diplomats to several organizations in the US. Even some of the main newspapers of the US and some senators in the US Senate got money from the Haitian government to have an anti-Dominican stance. This is documented.

The other is the Caricom organization in the Caribbean. They have a tendency to unite with the Haitian case in this. The DR has been trying to join Caricom since the 1980s and there is always a reason that they give for why the DR shouldn’t join yet.

The other ones comes out of the USA, which tends to side with Haiti.

Through the years Haiti has been diplomatically the country that had the most presence internationally. That is the case from a diplomatically stand and also a large intellectual stance that often writes anti-Dominican propaganda mostly in Canada and the USA. For example, main libraries of Montreal has so much information, articles, and books on Haiti past and present, while very little of the DR. It always dumbfounded Dominican intellectuals that stumble upon this. It was so that many people around the world knew of Haiti and the DR was unknown to them. The DR has been more of a hermetic country, really opening to much of the world starting in the new administration in 1996. Until then, the country hardly had an international presence and Dominican presidents hardly left the DR for anything.

Those three is the origin of the vast majority of the anti-Dominican propaganda.

The biggest supporters of the DR has been Spain and most Spanish American countries, which is a given. Everyone else stay out due to not caring or not being aware.
The United States likes to play the fence, one minute they paint DR the bad guy when we actually do more stuff for that sh*thole haiti than the US ever did, next minute they on our side. Im sure theres some pro-Haitian, pro Globalist one nation, and even pro-Dominican organizations in the United States. But in the US population overall, conservatives and latinos tend to side with the DR, while liberals and blacks tend to side with haiti and believe one nation in hispaniola.

But Like I said, every time the US occupied the island in the past they helped enforce the border, on the flipside their is some strong globalist prescence in the US. But who cares, yes the US was dominate in the 1900s, 2019 they bout to be China's b*tch.

As for Haiti, ofcourse they guna be against us. They the opps. lmao. But fr, we already know their mindset, nothing knew. DR and Haiti were rivals since the French created Haiti in the 1600s. The island was actually all-Spanish/Dominican, Haiti is basically stolen Dominican land. Imagine how much more peacful DR would be today if the french did not steal the westside of our island.

Caricom, f**k em, them little islands hold no weight anyway.

Spain and spanish speaking Latin America is on our side thats obvious and the love is appreciated. Now all we need is to further solidify our alliance with China.

Thats how see it.

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