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Old 08-01-2019, 09:14 AM
 
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The US and Spain take in millions of Dominicans. So why complain about the DR taking in lots of Haitians?
US and Spain rich compared to the DR. Also far more bigger in population and size.

DR and Haiti are 2 poor countries of the same size, DR is a lil richer but still not first world compared to USA and Europe.

Over 2 million Dominicans in USA is less than 1% of the country's population. Close to 1 million Haitians in DR is 9% of the country's population. Higher percentage, more change in country's culture and identity, something us Dominicans dont want to change. Unlike liberal diverse US where everybody identifies more with their race and ancestry, DR is a ethno-state, we pride ourselves on being Dominican first and foremost and we want our country to remain as it is, DOMINICAN Republic.
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Old 08-01-2019, 11:56 AM
 
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US and Spain rich compared to the DR. Also far more bigger in population and size.

DR and Haiti are 2 poor countries of the same size, DR is a lil richer but still not first world compared to USA and Europe.

Over 2 million Dominicans in USA is less than 1% of the country's population. Close to 1 million Haitians in DR is 9% of the country's population. Higher percentage, more change in country's culture and identity, something us Dominicans dont want to change. Unlike liberal diverse US where everybody identifies more with their race and ancestry, DR is a ethno-state, we pride ourselves on being Dominican first and foremost and we want our country to remain as it is, DOMINICAN Republic.
The Dominican Republic is not going to remain an ethno state. The Dominican Republic happily grants legal status to retirees with sufficient income, to immigrants who can start and run businesses and people of economic means.

The biggest issue the government has with poor immigrants who maybe illiterate in their native languages and who donít have papers in their own countries is it takes a fantastic effort to absorb them.

Nevertheless this is something that politically has to be worked out on the island, and other nations in the Americas should force the Haitian government to issue paperwork to all its citizens.

If the other Caribbean nations love their fellow islands so much they can help the Haitian government with the legalization process.
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Old 08-01-2019, 12:04 PM
 
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The Dominican Republic is not going to remain an ethno state. The Dominican Republic happily grants legal status to retirees with sufficient income, to immigrants who can start and run businesses and people of economic means.

The biggest issue the government has with poor immigrants who maybe illiterate in their native languages and who don’t have papers in their own countries is it takes a fantastic effort to absorb them.

Nevertheless this is something that politically has to be worked out on the island, and other nations in the Americas should force the Haitian government to issue paperwork to all its citizens.

If the other Caribbean nations love their fellow islands so much they can help the Haitian government with the legalization process.
With small steady flows of retirees and immigrants who ASSIMILATE into Dominican society. DR would remain Dominican..... But massive endless hordes of illegals, close to half of which dont even speak spanish, now thats a threat to Dominican identity.
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Old 08-01-2019, 12:25 PM
 
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The Dominican Republic is not going to remain an ethno state. The Dominican Republic happily grants legal status to retirees with sufficient income, to immigrants who can start and run businesses and people of economic means.

The biggest issue the government has with poor immigrants who maybe illiterate in their native languages and who don’t have papers in their own countries is it takes a fantastic effort to absorb them.

Nevertheless this is something that politically has to be worked out on the island, and other nations in the Americas should force the Haitian government to issue paperwork to all its citizens.

If the other Caribbean nations love their fellow islands so much they can help the Haitian government with the legalization process.
Retirees die within a decade or so. Do not leave children. usually do not become citizens.
or participate in politics. by the time the become too fragile, they return to their countries for better care.
they are not an issue.


Haitian elites have historically boycotted any effort to solve the papers issue in Haiti.
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Old 08-01-2019, 12:36 PM
 
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Retirees die within a decade or so. Do not leave children. usually do not become citizens.
or participate in politics. by the time the become too fragile, they return to their countries for better care.
they are not an issue.
They own property is the DR that goes to their children. Any places that a lot of retirees from any place ends up getting a number of young people from that place.

The Dominican Republic is heavily dependent upon tourism and foreign investment, the government will gladly grant citizenship to people with money ave education. Citizenship is basically for sale in most countries and that includes the US.

Plus the Dominicans in this forum are Dominican Americans, whose ideas of the DR are often stuck in the last as they and their families have not lived there for awhile. Dominicans on the ground in the DR happily make money off foreigners because without tourism the DR would be Spanish Haiti.
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Old 08-01-2019, 12:39 PM
 
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With small steady flows of retirees and immigrants who ASSIMILATE into Dominican society. DR would remain Dominican..... But massive endless hordes of illegals, close to half of which dont even speak spanish, now thats a threat to Dominican identity.
Yet Dominican identity can be and be dumped anyway. Young Dominicans if they want to move up socioeconomically have to learn English, and potentially other languages and have to be used to dealing with foreigners if they want to get able to get a decent job.
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Old 08-01-2019, 12:48 PM
 
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They own property is the DR that goes to their children. Any places that a lot of retirees from any place ends up getting a number of young people from that place.

The Dominican Republic is heavily dependent upon tourism and foreign investment, the government will gladly grant citizenship to people with money ave education. Citizenship is basically for sale in most countries and that includes the US.

Plus the Dominicans in this forum are Dominican Americans, whose ideas of the DR are often stuck in the last as they and their families have not lived there for awhile. Dominicans on the ground in the DR happily make money off foreigners because without tourism the DR would be Spanish Haiti.
facts do not back that claim, less than 1000 people a year become Dominican citizens. mostly are Cubans and Italians married to Dominicans, that have been liven int eh country for decades. not a number large enough to change the country.

And thats another misconception, DR is not THAT dependent on tourism as all the other islands.
tourism is about 11% of the national GDP. the reason tourism is important is because employs a lots of people (lost of them Haitians), but the country and its finances are not that dependent on tourism as most people think.
Tourism is a low revenue industry that keeps lots of people busy.
the real bulk of the Dominican economy is light industry with 32.2 percent to the country's GDP.

if you live in santo Domingo like the majority of the people in the country, months can go by without seeing one single tourist, you have to go to zona colonial to see one. Most Dominicans make their living without interacting with tourist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touris...nican_Republic

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Old 08-01-2019, 12:49 PM
 
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The Dominican Republic also imports skilled workers. Even for teaching English. If I wanted to teach in the Fominicsn Republic Iíd get 1500 a month plus free housing. So a lot of young adventurous people from English speaking countries do just that in the Dominican Republic.

For Dominicans in the US, the Dominican Republic or any place in Latin America was a place to move from. Now itís a place that people move to.

Thatís a part of the economic advancement of any country. A part of the US׳ís huge growth is that it took in people from around the world. Care for ethnicity is for primitive people. Ethnicity doesnít buy you food or pay your bills.

Money does.

The Dominican government is well aware that need more people with money and knowledge which is why investors and skilled people easily get legal status in the Dominican Republic. Foreign capital pulled the DR out of poverty.
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Old 08-01-2019, 01:07 PM
 
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The Dominican Republic also imports skilled workers. Even for teaching English. If I wanted to teach in the Fominicsn Republic I’d get 1500 a month plus free housing. So a lot of young adventurous people from English speaking countries do just that in the Dominican Republic.

For Dominicans in the US, the Dominican Republic or any place in Latin America was a place to move from. Now it’s a place that people move to.

That’s a part of the economic advancement of any country. A part of the US׳’s huge growth is that it took in people from around the world. Care for ethnicity is for primitive people. Ethnicity doesn’t buy you food or pay your bills.

Money does.

The Dominican government is well aware that need more people with money and knowledge which is why investors and skilled people easily get legal status in the Dominican Republic. Foreign capital pulled the DR out of poverty.
Foreign capital had a HUGE influence in cancelling the influence of traditional local elites that for centuries controlled the country and blocked any attempt of anyone to tap that market. It took a lot of pressure from inside and outside to break the monopoly of certain local economic groups. Now the country is more balanced and no one is absolute lord of the island as before, even now politicians are forced to do their job and find concerted exist to the political crisis without trashing the country in the process.
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Old 08-01-2019, 02:39 PM
 
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Yet Dominican identity can be and be dumped anyway. Young Dominicans if they want to move up socioeconomically have to learn English, and potentially other languages and have to be used to dealing with foreigners if they want to get able to get a decent job.
Many Dominians are already learning English and becoming billingual, but spanish would remain the only official language and the main language used by far.

However, the erasure of our identity.... Yeaaaa that WONT happen. We wont allow it. Never met a Dominican who doesnt love their caribbean latino culture and mixed ancestry and other things that make a dominican 'Dominican'. Nearly the whole country is made up of fierce nationalists. We wont allow our country to disappear or change beyond recognition. Point blank
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