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Old 08-04-2019, 08:21 AM
 
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Aside from the corruption and fake help from UN and US liberal globalists. Haiti is too densely populated and overpopulated, that alone will continue to put strains on the economy and the country's resources. It would make it more difficult for Haiti to rise out of poverty.

I say many of the people poorest chunk of Haiti, should voluntarily sterilize themselves, maybe with cash incentive to go with it. And many Haitians should continue to migrate to other countries, not DR or other poor small Caribbean countries, but rich huge countries like USA Canada and France. A country the size of Haiti should not have no more than 8 million people, unless its already developed.

Or.... How about just removing the incompetent govt put in place by external forces like Haitians are already trying to do?
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Old 08-04-2019, 08:23 AM
 
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Haiti is an endless money pit. I agree that it needs somone like castro in power.... only reason being to prevent it's population from leaving the island. As we all know Castro hated freedom for it's people. And the world has enough Haitians outside of Haiti already
There are only 13 million Haitians world wide. 10 million in Haiti. So do tell how the world has had enough of Haitians(outside the DR)??? Especially considering Haitians in USA, Canada and France do well. Or are we just too "Black"?
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Old 08-04-2019, 01:32 PM
 
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There are only 13 million Haitians world wide. 10 million in Haiti. So do tell how the world has had enough of Haitians(outside the DR)??? Especially considering Haitians in USA, Canada and France do well. Or are we just too "Black"?
It’s interesting the comments that are made here considering that Haitians do better than Dominicans in the U.S.
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Old 08-04-2019, 01:40 PM
 
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It’s interesting the comments that are made here considering that Haitians do better than Dominicans in the U.S.
They ignore that. LMAO!

Haitians outclass Dominicans when it comes to overall success in America. Dominican-American income is behind that of African-Americans who are a larger population. Again, the "land of opportunities" with no dysfunctional/corrupt governments holding you back.
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Old 08-04-2019, 09:38 PM
 
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-Haitian immigrant households had a median income of $47,200 in 2015
-In 2015, 78 percent of Haitians ages 25 and over in the United States had a high school degree or higher, compared to 75 percent of the overall Caribbean immigrant population and 71 percent of the total foreign-born population.
-The share of Haitian immigrants with a bachelor’s degree or higher was 19 percent, compared to 29 percent of the total foreign-born population.
-Haitians were about as likely to live in poverty as the overall immigrant population (18 percent compared to 17 percent) and the Caribbean foreign-born population (19 percent).

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...#Age_Education




- In 2016, households headed by a Dominican immigrant had a median income of $37,000.
-About 35 percent of Dominican adults lacked a high school diploma, compared to 29 percent of all immigrant adults.
-In 2016, approximately 15 percent of Dominican immigrants had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to about 32 percent of the U.S. born and 30 percent of all immigrants.
-Further, in 2016, some 24 percent of Dominican families were living in poverty.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...-united-states
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Old 08-05-2019, 01:46 AM
 
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-Haitian immigrant households had a median income of $47,200 in 2015
-In 2015, 78 percent of Haitians ages 25 and over in the United States had a high school degree or higher, compared to 75 percent of the overall Caribbean immigrant population and 71 percent of the total foreign-born population.
-The share of Haitian immigrants with a bachelor’s degree or higher was 19 percent, compared to 29 percent of the total foreign-born population.
-Haitians were about as likely to live in poverty as the overall immigrant population (18 percent compared to 17 percent) and the Caribbean foreign-born population (19 percent).

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...#Age_Education




- In 2016, households headed by a Dominican immigrant had a median income of $37,000.
-About 35 percent of Dominican adults lacked a high school diploma, compared to 29 percent of all immigrant adults.
-In 2016, approximately 15 percent of Dominican immigrants had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to about 32 percent of the U.S. born and 30 percent of all immigrants.
-Further, in 2016, some 24 percent of Dominican families were living in poverty.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...-united-states
Maybe they do more “cherry picking” when it comes to Haitian immigrants compared to Dominicans?
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:32 AM
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I always ask myself why there aren’t more Haitians in the US. I remember when most Cubans in the US were middle class and up in Cuba, the statistics show that. Now Cubans in the US are much more likely to have a lower income, but the Cuban community in the US has change a lot with more poorer Cubans migrating since the 1980s. That is something that is noticeable by meeting people. In any case, the average Haitian that migrates to the US and the average Haitian that migrates to the DR are different people.

The other aspect is that whenever a society focus on its community abroad to feel pride of themselves that is higher than the native country, you know the native place has a serious problem(s).

The other aspects is that it’s an average. On an individual level there are those earning millions and those that are homeless and everything in between. The point is that a person doesn’t know exactly the economic situation of members of a forum like this. The other person with whom you are debating could very well be a multimillionaire and you would never know it. Unless the other person talks about their economic situation, no one knows. Many people can guess based on various factors, which may be affected by the origin of the other person too, but no one really knows. That’s actually one of the positive aspects of forums.

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Old 08-05-2019, 07:38 AM
 
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-Haitian immigrant households had a median income of $47,200 in 2015
-In 2015, 78 percent of Haitians ages 25 and over in the United States had a high school degree or higher, compared to 75 percent of the overall Caribbean immigrant population and 71 percent of the total foreign-born population.
-The share of Haitian immigrants with a bachelor’s degree or higher was 19 percent, compared to 29 percent of the total foreign-born population.
-Haitians were about as likely to live in poverty as the overall immigrant population (18 percent compared to 17 percent) and the Caribbean foreign-born population (19 percent).

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...#Age_Education




- In 2016, households headed by a Dominican immigrant had a median income of $37,000.
-About 35 percent of Dominican adults lacked a high school diploma, compared to 29 percent of all immigrant adults.
-In 2016, approximately 15 percent of Dominican immigrants had a bachelor's degree or higher, compared to about 32 percent of the U.S. born and 30 percent of all immigrants.
-Further, in 2016, some 24 percent of Dominican families were living in poverty.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...-united-states
This statistics are just marginally better and basically statistically insignificant.

Now, Haitian immigration is way different than Dominican immigration.
Dominicans invest heavily in DR, sending about 6-7 billion a year, and a good chunk of that money goes to the purchase of real state, Dominicans traditionally see themselves in the US as transient, they come to make money to eventually return, and invest a good chunk of their income in DR in the acquisition of property for retirement. Haitians dont do that as the situation in Haiti is usually very turbulent.

Foreign assets are not calculated in the US calculation for poverty. Dominican Americans are one of the main customer base that have fueled the real state boom in DR investing heavily there.


IF foreign assets are calculated Dominican Americans are way richer than Haitian american.


this is one of the big things haiti is missing. The direct investment of the diaspora. DR has capitalized heavily on that.

If you ask a Dominican, what do you have to show for after living in the US for XXX amount of time, the most common answer will be - i built my house there, or a got an apartment in DR or something along those lines.

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Old 08-05-2019, 09:05 AM
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Dominican American sent about 16% worth of household consumption (ignoring the consumption done by businesses and institutions, and tourists which in some areas is significant). The amount corresponded to total money sent to the DR, because consumption of that amount That was 10 years ago, today total consumption is much more. If it wasn't for the native Dominican consumption and the country's economic growth, the household consumption economy would have to depend overwhelmingly on Dominican Americans and that means being an economy that is considerably smaller than it currently is.

Haiti has the disadvantage that on one hand it already heavily depends on Haitians abroad for its household consumption, but Haitians in general send a lot less money to Haiti as well. Just the GDP by its self, which includes the estimate for the informal economy too, amounts to over $8 billion a couple of years ago (under $20 billion in PPP). How much of that corresponds to household consumption is a guess, but a country with Haiti's population should be way over that amount to be a normal country in this hemisphere. The Santo Domingo Metro Area produces much more than that on a yearly basis, and that's only a part of the Dominican economy. Jamaica is much smaller than Haiti in population and also produces much more than that. Trinidad and Tobago is even smaller and produces more than that. Nicaragua is smaller and a politically troubled place in Central America and produces considerably more than Haiti. Bolivia is about the same size as Haiti in population and produces much more as well.

Características del consumo en República Dominicana

El impacto de las remesas en el desarrollo y consumo dominicano

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Old 08-05-2019, 11:58 AM
 
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Maybe they do more “cherry picking” when it comes to Haitian immigrants compared to Dominicans?
Only Haitians in Canada come from the elite. So no its not "cherry picking." Boston/NY is mixed while Miami is mostly boat people.
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