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Old 08-05-2019, 12:46 PM
 
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Maybe they do more “cherry picking” when it comes to Haitian immigrants compared to Dominicans?
Nope. This is a general report done for immigrants from all over. Same info is provided for all groups.
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Old 08-05-2019, 12:49 PM
 
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This statistics are just marginally better and basically statistically insignificant.

Now, Haitian immigration is way different than Dominican immigration.
Dominicans invest heavily in DR, sending about 6-7 billion a year, and a good chunk of that money goes to the purchase of real state, Dominicans traditionally see themselves in the US as transient, they come to make money to eventually return, and invest a good chunk of their income in DR in the acquisition of property for retirement. Haitians dont do that as the situation in Haiti is usually very turbulent.

Foreign assets are not calculated in the US calculation for poverty. Dominican Americans are one of the main customer base that have fueled the real state boom in DR investing heavily there.


IF foreign assets are calculated Dominican Americans are way richer than Haitian american.


this is one of the big things haiti is missing. The direct investment of the diaspora. DR has capitalized heavily on that.

If you ask a Dominican, what do you have to show for after living in the US for XXX amount of time, the most common answer will be - i built my house there, or a got an apartment in DR or something along those lines.
For all that has been said about Haitians in this forum, one would think Dominicans would be doing far better than Haitians. Yet Haitians are doing better than Dominicans in the States.

Plenty people send money and build homes back home and still do well in the States. *shrug*
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Old 08-05-2019, 12:52 PM
 
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This whole "Dominicans don't stay in the USA that long and that's the reason why" is a reach... Plenty of people in the Haitian diaspora in USA, Canada and France send money back home. Heck this Haitian-American entrepreneur MOVED to Haiti.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8npaLOntQI
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Old 08-05-2019, 01:49 PM
 
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This whole "Dominicans don't stay in the USA that long and that's the reason why" is a reach... Plenty of people in the Haitian diaspora in USA, Canada and France send money back home. Heck this Haitian-American entrepreneur MOVED to Haiti.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8npaLOntQI
thats a rarity, a very rare thing, not in DR, thats a normal occurrence, there are hundreds of thousands Dominicans that returned to DR to run businesses, Haitians literately abandon Haiti, to never look back.

They do not invest, do not do tourism, or create organization to help Haiti (not in the rate Haiti deserves).

The Dominican diaspora has always been decisive into moving the country forward, heavily involved in everything the country goes trough. It was the diaspora that financed the struggle to remove Trujillo, financing multiple military invasions ( with the lost of hundreds of good Dominicans int he hands of the dictator). it was in the Diaspora that the largest political party of the last 100 years was founded (PRD) and it is the diaspora that is investing in DR and keeping the country going. Haitian diaspora just seems absent, selfish, toothless. where are the organizations to fight for political reform in Haiti? where is pressure?
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Old 08-05-2019, 01:55 PM
 
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For all that has been said about Haitians in this forum, one would think Dominicans would be doing far better than Haitians. Yet Haitians are doing better than Dominicans in the States.

Plenty people send money and build homes back home and still do well in the States. *shrug*
as i said thats difference is basically null, as a difference of 3-4% is basically within the margin of error.
the type of immigration is the reason Dominicans are perceived to do more poorly, they send 6-7 billion cash and about 2000 shipping containers of goods to DR every year. if they re-invested that capital in the US, their situation would be much better, but lots of them dont have the interest to do that, they want to return. Haitians do not want to return, therefore they invest more here.

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Old 08-05-2019, 02:00 PM
 
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]Dominican republic has a dim view of Haitians
Many negative experiences form views
But we have criminalized dim views based on experience and call those people that have those bad experiences names
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Old 08-05-2019, 02:20 PM
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The Dominican diaspora helps a lot, but definitely don’t keep the country going. That is something the native Dominican mostly middle class does on an proportionally greater stand. If the DR depended on the diaspora to keep going, the Dominican economy would be considerably smaller, though I think still bigger than Haiti. There are towns though where the impact of the Dominican diaspora is paramount. Some towns, mostly in the Cibao region, has most of its community families already living in the US, which I think is crazy.

With Haiti it has always been said that its diaspora doesn’t invest a lot in Haiti and I guess the statistics simply show that. The many of Haiti’s mulatto families left the country to save their entire families lives from various regimes that favor blacks and/or certain families fell in disregard. In the town of Jeremie most of the families of mixed blood were wiped out by the government in the 1960s. They also happen to be the business class of that town and hasn’t recuperated since then. Many if these people ended up in eastern Canada, eastern USA, and in France. Many also moved to the DR.

Sarodj Bertin is a Haitian woman whose entire family decided to move to Santo Domingo after her mother was killed in broad daylight in Port-au-Prince by the government. While she isn’t part of the several waves through the centuries where mixed race Haitian families were massacred, can anyone blame her for living the rest of her live in the DR? I don’t blame if certain Haitians show no desire at all to help Haiti.

Other Haitians simply lost hope on Haiti. They don’t see themselves as a solution, so they turn their backs on Haiti.

One of Haiti’s military generals and president died within the past year in Jarabacoa, DR. He gave up on his country when the constitution that be suggested and would had help Haiti in the long run was ignored. He recognized that the DR is a country that continues to grow over the years. His last few decades was lived quietly in Jarabacoa. When he died his remains were waked at the Funeraria Blandino in the center of Santo Domingo and many of his family members happened to live in Santo Domingo too. Dominican newspapers wrote about him at the time of his death, many articles available online in Spanish.

This is one of the articles that made it to the international press. His casket was covered in a Haitian flag while his wake took place in the center of Santo Domingo. https://www.efe.com/efe/america/poli...00035-3667759#

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Old 08-05-2019, 02:35 PM
 
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The Dominican diaspora helps a lot, but definitely don’t keep the country going. That is something the native Dominican mostly middle class does on an proportionally greater stand. If the DR depended on the diaspora to keep going, the Dominican economy would be considerably smaller, though I think still bigger than Haiti. There are towns though where the impact of the Dominican diaspora is paramount. Some towns, mostly in the Cibao region, has most of its community families already living in the US, which I think is crazy.

With Haiti it has always been said that its diaspora doesn’t invest a lot in Haiti and I guess the statistics simply show that. The many of Haiti’s mulatto families left the country to save their entire families lives from various regimes that favor blacks and/or certain families fell in disregard. In the town of Jeremie most of the families of mixed blood were wiped out by the government in the 1960s. They also happen to be the business class of that town and hasn’t recuperated since then. Many if these people ended up in eastern Canada, eastern USA, and in France. Many also moved to the DR.

Sarodj Bertin is a Haitian woman whose entire family decided to move to Santo Domingo after her mother was killed in broad daylight in Port-au-Prince by the government. While she isn’t part of the several waves through the centuries where mixed race Haitian families were massacred, can anyone blame her for living the rest of her live in the DR? I don’t blame if certain Haitians show no desire at all to help Haiti.

Other Haitians simply lost hope on Haiti. They don’t see themselves as a solution, so they turn their backs on Haiti.

One of Haiti’s military generals and president died within the past year in Jarabacoa, DR. He gave up on his country when the constitution that be suggested and would had help Haiti in the long run was ignored. He recognized that the DR is a country that continues to grow over the years. His last few decades was lived quietly in Jarabacoa. When he died his remains were waked at the Funeraria Blandino in the center of Santo Domingo and many of his family members happened to live in Santo Domingo too. Dominican newspaper wrote about him at the time of his death, many articles available online in Spanish.

This is one of the articles that made it to the international press. His casket was covered in a Haitian flag while his wake took place in the center of Santo Domingo. https://www.efe.com/efe/america/poli...00035-3667759#
After the quake many Haitian rich and middle class families moved to DR, and started to invest there. there are some Haitian owned restaurants in zona colonial, bavaro, a famous hotel boutique in zona colonial (Hotel Billini) is of Haitian owners ect. all of good quality and good reviews.

i found it weird that right at the moment Haiti needed them most, they decided to move all their wealth to DR.

https://www.billinihotel.com/


* the mulatto Haitian class and the Syrian/Lebanese elite of both side of the island have, historically have been very close. Thats why they move and invest on both sides.
the Trinidadian Lebanese elite has also had a strong relation with the Dominican elite.
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Old 08-05-2019, 02:53 PM
 
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thats a rarity, a very rare thing, not in DR, thats a normal occurrence, there are hundreds of thousands Dominicans that returned to DR to run businesses, Haitians literately abandon Haiti, to never look back.

They do not invest, do not do tourism, or create organization to help Haiti (not in the rate Haiti deserves).

The Dominican diaspora has always been decisive into moving the country forward, heavily involved in everything the country goes trough. It was the diaspora that financed the struggle to remove Trujillo, financing multiple military invasions ( with the lost of hundreds of good Dominicans int he hands of the dictator). it was in the Diaspora that the largest political party of the last 100 years was founded (PRD) and it is the diaspora that is investing in DR and keeping the country going. Haitian diaspora just seems absent, selfish, toothless. where are the organizations to fight for political reform in Haiti? where is pressure?

I doubt you know anything about the Haitian diaspora outside of the DR to warrant such a comment. So me proof that its a "rarity." And what the **** you mean Haitian diaspora "abandoned" Haiti??? Haitians are some of the most nationalistic people in the Caribbean. See comments like this is why I had to join this site.

First off I doubt you know about Haitian diaspora people like Ezili Danto and her freeHaiti movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEacP3ISsx0
https://ezilidanto.com/

There are many like her in the USA. Not to mention the Haitian diaspora especially in places like Brooklyn and Miami have been protesting against the PHKT/Moise government. So what the **** are you talking about? Haitians from America travel back and forth to Haiti all the time and own properties there. Heck the older Haitians retire in places like Jacmel. GTFOH... The Haitian diaspora in the USA are probably more "woke" than the ones in Haiti. Haitian diaspora BEEN sending money back to Haiti.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sAZjvxgW9U

As for tourism most of it has been done by the diaspora and secondly those of the diaspora have made videos like this promoting tourism in Haiti.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwbDoryfk4A&t=2s

^^Half the people are from the diaspora. More importantly its going to take more capital than the diaspora investing to solve Haiti's issues. But like I said all of this is just a big reach to explain away why Haitian-Americans do better than Dominican-Americans.
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Old Yesterday, 04:23 PM
 
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I would like to know the religion of Haitian Americans versus the Haitians in Haiti.

It may be that if the religion of Haitian Americans reflects that of the US population, overall (in this case, Christianity), it might help them assimilate more.
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