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Old 01-24-2019, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Canada
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This is a pretty good summary.


I'd add that while there was and still is some racism in Quebec towards black people (including Haitians), the classic stereotype associating black people with crime (and especially the dangerous young black male who poses a threat) is largely absent here. The most persistent negative stereotype about Haitians/black people here is that they're lazy.


I find this is a stark contrast between Quebec and the U.S., and even places in Anglo-Canada not that far away from Montreal like Toronto and even Ottawa.
Having lived in both Montreal and Toronto I would say this is true for the most part. Though I would say that Haitians do have a bit of a bad rep in MTL for being involved with crime. The biggest street gangs in MTL are known to be Haitian. I would still say though that Haitians are not viewed as negatively in MTL as Jamaicans are in Toronto. I also didn't hear Haitians complain as much about racism as you do from Blacks in Anglo Canada.
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Old 01-24-2019, 08:24 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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It's not like it did Haiti any good in the long run. It's slightly poorer than even Guatemala, and that's pretty damn poor. Guatemala is also looked down on by it's neighbors. It is in a similar boat as Haiti.

I understand why some Indigenous Guatemalans feel the way you do but indigenous people treat each other pretty bad too. I have seen it with my own eyes. Not to mention they love Mexican culture more than their own and are evangelical religious fanatics.
Haiti was poor because other countries France and the US actively worked to make sure it wasn't successful. France made Haiti pay for the war with billions and billions they didn't have forcing Haiti to stay in poverty. The US under Thomas Jefferson actively worked to block sugar from Haiti so it wouldn't be successful, and give ideas to other black people in the Americas. Haiti wasn't successful not due to itself, but to it's neighbors who didn't want it to be successful.

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Old 01-24-2019, 08:37 AM
 
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Haiti was poor because other countries France and the US actively worked to make sure it wasn't successful. France made Haiti pay for the war with billions and billions they didn't have forcing Haiti to stay in poverty. The US under Thomas Jefferson actively worked to block sugar from Haiti so it wouldn't be successful, and give ideas to other black people in the Americas. Haiti wasn't successful not due to itself, but to it's neighbors who didn't want it to be successful.
True, I am aware of this. But it's neighbors? You mean Dom. Rep and Cuba? How exactly have they held Haiti back>?
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Old 01-24-2019, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Having lived in both Montreal and Toronto I would say this is true for the most part. Though I would say that Haitians do have a bit of a bad rep in MTL for being involved with crime. The biggest street gangs in MTL are known to be Haitian. I would still say though that Haitians are not viewed as negatively in MTL as Jamaicans are in Toronto. I also didn't hear Haitians complain as much about racism as you do from Blacks in Anglo Canada.
There is also the fact that the hypercharged acrimonious rhetoric stateside resonates moreso in Anglo-Canada (incl. with the black population) than in Quebec.


So the fact that blacks in Anglo-Canada complain more about racism might not necessarily be indicative that there is more there than in Quebec.
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Old 01-24-2019, 09:06 AM
 
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There is also the fact that the hypercharged acrimonious rhetoric stateside resonates moreso in Anglo-Canada (incl. with the black population) than in Quebec.


So the fact that blacks in Anglo-Canada complain more about racism might not necessarily be indicative that there is more there than in Quebec.
Oh for sure, was not trying to say that.
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Old 01-24-2019, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Oh for sure, was not trying to say that.
I know.
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Old 01-24-2019, 01:44 PM
 
Location: DC metropolitan area
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Haitians do very well in sports in Quebec, especially soccer and boxing. However, even in swimming and hockey Haitian Quebeckers are doing their thing.

Jennifer Abel has represented Canada in the Olympics and other international competitions as a diver.

In hockey, that whitest of all sports (right?), Quebec has or has had Maxime Boisclair playing for the Saguenéens de Chicoutimi and the Draveurs de Trois-Rivières; Francis Bouillon as defenseman for the Montreal Canadiens; Anthony Duclair getting his start with the Remparts de Québec before going bigger; Maxime Fortunus also getting his start with the Ligue de hockey junior majeur du Québec; Jean-Luc Grand-Pierre starting out with this League as well; Georges Laraque playing for the Montreal Canadiens; Claude Vilgrain playing with the Voisins de Laval before joining the Vancouver Canucks.
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Old 01-24-2019, 06:46 PM
 
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You're largely right, though Quebec is most definitely part of the "West".


I'd say that there are concentric circles of political correctness. The innermost one encompasses the core Anglosphere countries and a few others from northern Europe that are of the Protestant tradition.


I'd argue there is another one level up from theirs where you'd find a lot of countries of the Latin Catholic tradition - much of central-southern Europe would be there, as would Quebec.
Yea the West is the only place you'll get political correctness cause the concept was made there.Even East Asian countries can have a no filter with their policies.
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Old 01-24-2019, 07:43 PM
 
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Yea the West is the only place you'll get political correctness cause the concept was made there.Even East Asian countries can have a no filter with their policies.
Russia and the Slavic world are not particularly PC.
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Old 01-24-2019, 09:15 PM
 
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Russia and the Slavic world are not particularly PC.
exactly...I mean West as in the original NATO countries.
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