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Old 11-26-2018, 06:19 PM
 
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In Argentina, why are there relatively speaking very few immigrants from Brazil, especially compared to the Paraguayans, Bolivians, and Chileans who migrate to Argentina much more? Is it because Argentina and Brazil aren't much different in terms of per capita GDP (whereas if Argentina were much wealthier than Brazil, more Brazilians - rich and poor alike - would move to Argentina)? Or is it because relatively few Brazilians are interested in learning a foreign language, even one like Spanish that is related to Portuguese?
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:02 PM
 
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My guess is that southern Brazil is already similar, plus it has city beaches. Cities like Florianapolis...beautiful.
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:21 PM
 
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Argentina has been experiencing economic instability and strife for 2 decades now. Brazil on the other hand experienced a significant boom and although the recent recession has bitten hard, the hope is it will begin to grow again.

Argentina is partially safer but not sufficiently so to inspire a large amount of migration and economic opportunities have been more readily available in Brazil than in Argentina in the past few decades.

People from higher middle income countries prefer to be in the boom. Recently a sizeable amount of Brazilians have been seen relocating to Chile, Peru and Colombia. The truth of the matter is that although some countries in South America are more developed than others, in general the difference is not enough to dissuade people from living in each other's countries. The differences are bearable especially where growth is an incentive.
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Old 11-27-2018, 07:22 AM
 
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In Argentina, why are there relatively speaking very few immigrants from Brazil, especially compared to the Paraguayans, Bolivians, and Chileans who migrate to Argentina much more? Is it because Argentina and Brazil aren't much different in terms of per capita GDP (whereas if Argentina were much wealthier than Brazil, more Brazilians - rich and poor alike - would move to Argentina)? Or is it because relatively few Brazilians are interested in learning a foreign language, even one like Spanish that is related to Portuguese?
Brazil is a continental country in other words Brazil has inside the country the same dynamics than in Spanish America.

The poorest Brazilians from north and norheast Brazil always moved on way to the south for the richest big cities like São Paulo, Belo Horizonte, Brasilia and Rio de Janeiro, much less today after Northeast Brazil had emproved and many companies moved to there giving more job opportunities over there.

Brazil has few population abroad only few more than 2 millions it is only 1% of Brazilian population… Is better business to most low skilled Brazilians workers move to São Paulo, Brasilia, Belo Horizonte or Rio where they are citzens than immigrate illegally to first word countries like USA or Europe.

South Brazil is richer than neighborn Uruguay and Argentina.

São Paulo state (45 millions people) is bigger and richer than Argentina or Chile economically, industrialized, always offered more job opportunities and higher wages. Big Brazilian cities still atract hundreds of thousands high skilled Portuguese.

Brazil has many social problem but Always was economically dynamic. We are in a big economic crisis since 2015 but we don't see millions of Brazilians trying left the country any way
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Old 11-27-2018, 09:38 AM
 
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Brazil is a continental country in other words Brazil has inside the country the same dynamics than in Spanish America.

The poorest Brazilians from north and norheast Brazil always moved on way to the south for the richest big cities like São Paulo, Belo Horizonte, Brasilia and Rio de Janeiro, much less today after Northeast Brazil had emproved and many companies moved to there giving more job opportunities over there.

South Brazil is richer than neighborn Uruguay and Argentina.

São Paulo state (45 millions people) is bigger and richer than Argentina or Chile economically, industrialized, always offered more job opportunities and higher wages. Big Brazilian cities still atract hundreds of thousands high skilled Portuguese.
Not to mention that for Nordestinos and so on, São Paulo state and the rest of southern Brazil are geographically closer than Argentina. In fact, the Rio-São Paulo area is just about midway between the Northeast and Argentina.

Whereas in the case of Mexicans moving en masse to the United States, Mexico is a sufficiently small country (much smaller than Brazil) that the poorest states (which are mainly south and southeast of Mexico City) aren't all that far away from at least Texas, and even places like Los Angeles and Chicago are closer to the poorest Mexican states than the Brazilian Northeast is to Argentina.
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Old 11-27-2018, 11:12 AM
 
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Not to mention that for Nordestinos and so on, São Paulo state and the rest of southern Brazil are geographically closer than Argentina. In fact, the Rio-São Paulo area is just about midway between the Northeast and Argentina.

Whereas in the case of Mexicans moving en masse to the United States, Mexico is a sufficiently small country (much smaller than Brazil) that the poorest states (which are mainly south and southeast of Mexico City) aren't all that far away from at least Texas, and even places like Los Angeles and Chicago are closer to the poorest Mexican states than the Brazilian Northeast is to Argentina.
I don’t think the distance is a problem, in the Mercosur and others south American associated states is like the Europe Union, open borders, and people can work freelly in another members countries.

Brazilians can freelly work in Argentina or Chile and vice versa, so if nordestinos want work in Buenos Aires is necessary just take a long bus trip down there. People from Peru and Bolivia got to São Paulo for work by bus... Similar distance.


The main reason is why immigrate to another country if you could find better opportunities in other parts of its own country in its own language and culture?

For poor Mexicans any part of USA is much better in opportunities than the richest areas of Mexico.
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Old 11-27-2018, 02:51 PM
 
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in other words Brazil has inside the country the same dynamics than in Spanish America
An exaggeration to say the least due to various factors, one evident one being geographical set-up. It's much easier to get from Belém to São Paulo than from Mexico city to Buenos Aires.

Also the Andes that transcends almost all hispanic South American countries makes distances 3 x longer than flat Brazil.

Spanish America is not just South America, it's North America & the Caribbean also.
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Old 11-27-2018, 02:54 PM
 
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Hispanic America is bigger than Brazil and landscapes are a lot more sharp.
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Old 11-27-2018, 03:16 PM
 
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I don’t think the distance is a problem, in the Mercosur and others south American associated states is like the Europe Union, open borders, and people can work freelly in another members countries.

Brazilians can freelly work in Argentina or Chile and vice versa, so if nordestinos want work in Buenos Aires is necessary just take a long bus trip down there. People from Peru and Bolivia got to São Paulo for work by bus... Similar distance.

The main reason is why immigrate to another country if you could find better opportunities in other parts of its own country in its own language and culture?

For poor Mexicans any part of USA is much better in opportunities than the richest areas of Mexico.
Right, so if Argentina/Uruguay were still much more prosperous than Brazil as a whole, as was the case in the earlier 1900s, quite a few nordestinos would be heading to places like Buenos Aires and Montevideo as well as Sao Paulo, Rio, etc.?!
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Old 11-28-2018, 07:25 AM
 
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An exaggeration to say the least due to various factors, one evident one being geographical set-up. It's much easier to get from Belém to São Paulo than from Mexico city to Buenos Aires.

Also the Andes that transcends almost all hispanic South American countries makes distances 3 x longer than flat Brazil.

Spanish America is not just South America, it's North America & the Caribbean also.
I agree parcially with you. Yes central América and México is like in another continente I was thinking about South América... Although Haitians get here in long land trip trough central america.

The Bolivians and Peruvians arrive here in São Paulo by land (train and bus trips) having the Andes or not. Is different of the extremally poor central Americans and Mexicans that go to the USA walking... They can save money for the tickets. Brazil has half millions Bolivians they prefer Argentina because the language.

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Right, so if Argentina/Uruguay were still much more prosperous than Brazil as a whole, as was the case in the earlier 1900s, quite a few nordestinos would be heading to places like Buenos Aires and Montevideo as well as Sao Paulo, Rio, etc.?!
If they were much more prosperous sure! But I am thinking about that in early 1900s Sao Paulo and south Brazil received the same quantity of Europeans immigrantes than Argentina (5 or 6 millions). Probably since that time the level of development already was similar in both….
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