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Old 05-23-2019, 02:11 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale
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There was never anything similar to the one drop rule in Latin America people of partial Black ancestry usually do not consider themselves to be Black Africans just as they usually don't consider themselves to be Spaniards or Portuguese or Amerindians, in general they understand those are components that make up a Brazilian, Colombian, Cuban, Puerto Rican etc but that's about it. If you look white in Latin America you're white, if you look mixed you're mixed very few people want to be Black even if they're dark. That's just the way it is 90 million people in Brazil don't claim Afro-Latino ancestry this video is pretty ridiculous as it's propaganda to spread the USA concept of race and race relations it looks like the Afro-centrists are doing a pretty good job of indoctrinating a few communities of their insanity.
The key distinction here is "ethnicity" as opposed to genetic blood quantum. The concept of being "Brazilian" or "Mexican" is more rooted in ethnicity rather than genetic distinction. This is partially due to syncretism - the blending of multiple races and cultures to form a new culture. Is is also partially based on the Portuguese or Spanish "casta" - a hierarchy based on skin color. This is a historical pattern of colorism. This explains why many Mexicans or Brazilians do not want to claim being part West African even though many are. In Mexico, there are also many Mexicans who do not want to admit being part indigenous even though it is obvious. A weird pattern in the midst of this sociological phenomenon is that even a very light-skinned Mexican can see a white American as a "gringo" or an "other ethnicity". Racism in Mexico can be kind of strange.
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Old 05-23-2019, 06:22 AM
 
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The key distinction here is "ethnicity" as opposed to genetic blood quantum. The concept of being "Brazilian" or "Mexican" is more rooted in ethnicity rather than genetic distinction. This is partially due to syncretism - the blending of multiple races and cultures to form a new culture. Is is also partially based on the Portuguese or Spanish "casta" - a hierarchy based on skin color. This is a historical pattern of colorism. This explains why many Mexicans or Brazilians do not want to claim being part West African even though many are. In Mexico, there are also many Mexicans who do not want to admit being part indigenous even though it is obvious. A weird pattern in the midst of this sociological phenomenon is that even a very light-skinned Mexican can see a white American as a "gringo" or an "other ethnicity". Racism in Mexico can be kind of strange.
If 50% of Brazilians claim to be '' pardo '' they are claiming some African and Amerindian blood or both.
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Old 05-23-2019, 08:54 AM
 
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Everyone who can get out of Central America or Mexico gets out. The societies are poor, criminal prone, and utter disasters.

The notion that Spanish or Portuguese colonialists created so sort of utopia is absurd. Some people post as they type that wonderful white powder of an export from Colombia.

If everyone who can get out of a nation gets out, that letīs you know what people really think of the society.

Ask those Natives who are fleeing those countries for the US, trying to get in under the Trump administration of all people.
Not everyone gets out it depends on what socioecomic class and which region you are in.People act is if the US, is the only primary destination for a better life, countries like Chile,Uruguay,Argentina,and Spain are countries to make a decent living , but you don't see a mass exodus to these countries.

Poverty level in Latin America is about 30.7%,thats a lot but not the vast majority.Plus in some countries like Colombia poverty level occurs for people living in remote areas.
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Old 05-25-2019, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Formerly NYC by week; ATL by weekend...now Rio bi annually and ATL bi annually
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You mean to say that the indian women didnít prefer the Spanish men, who looked and sounded different from what they seen their whole lives? The indian men also controlled their women and used them as favors to welcome the men in each town. For example, even today a black man can visit the non-tourist regions of Mexico and based that they look and sound different than all or most of the men they have seen, most black men have a much better attention from the women than they do back home. They also gained the military, economic, and political power which added to their allure, like women do to men women today. If thatís the case today, imagine what it was like 500 years from now. We even have several stories (for example, the Malinche in Mexico) through out the region.

On the other hand, the Philippines was a Spanish colony also for 500 years or so, but they hardly have any Spanish mixed. In fact, most of the population is of East Asian stock. Its what Latin America would had been like if most crosses were due to raped, indoctrination, and stuff. The fact that Latin America isnít like the Philippines, despite having been a colony of Spain for also over 500 years, is a tale tell signs that the women reacted differently.

You can also see the former English and French colonies in the Americas or the world. Most are mostly not majority mixed, despite the same rapes and stuff happen in those places too. Jamaica was an increasingly mixed society, then the English took over and changed everything.

I know its not what you want to hear, but Iím based off reality rather than make believe. This is only talking about the Spanish men, but there were indian and other men that also remained powerful during the Spanish era and they too had the Latin American women at their feet.
So tell me what you stated is reality and what I stated in make believe so that I can engage you in the correct manner please.......
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Old 05-25-2019, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Formerly NYC by week; ATL by weekend...now Rio bi annually and ATL bi annually
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But I think Brazilian really became more mixed in average than before only recently. Mixing what happened a lot in 80's and 90's decades. Explaning in countryside Brazil there are huge areas where most people are only Whites and others mostly blacks, or pardos or amerindians... How people migrated in mass to big cities like S„o Paulo, Brasilia, Belo horizonte and Rio de Janeiro from all over the country only recently in these 2 decades, the mixing of races happened a lot in these parts of Brazil really recently.
Brazilians did not start mixing en masse in the last 20 years.....they have always prided themselves as a melting pot nation, hence denying the reality of their slavery past. You are correct, there are mass "indio" populaces to the North in the Amazon...exactly where you would expect it. The Brazilian government courted mass European immigrants to actually help "whiten" the population (branqeamento) late 19th and early 201th century. Japanese, Germans, etc. were all welcomed with open arms to solve the "blackness" problem.

Any notion that this is a current phenomenon is crazy. The most popular form of Samba, Samba no pe', which has been around here forever, was actually referred to as Mulata Samba.

The post you responded to speaks to the sub cultural awakening of afro-brazilians in how they identify themselves. Since the 2000 census, more have taken pride in identifying not as an exotic category but black. And as I stated, this is their way of combatting the narrative of the thread which is systemic erasure of African descendants in at least their Latin American country. It cannot be denied.
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Old 06-01-2019, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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How well are blacks represented in Cuba’s government?
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Old 06-01-2019, 03:35 PM
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How well are blacks represented in Cuba’s government?
That’s the one area that Cuba needs to work on, especially with top positions. The irony is that the government is the easiest place to have blacks as representatives. They kind of went backwards.

The other irony is that blacks are a minority in Cuba. It shouldn’t take them half a century to have enough blacks in their top government position.

I have to say that I don’t know if the people vote for their representatives or if Cuba’s top head choose that too. I have a hunch its the second one, but I’m not sure.

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Old 06-01-2019, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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Thatís the one area that Cuba needs to work on, especially with top positions. The irony is that the government is the easiest place to have blacks as representatives. They kind of went backwards.

The other irony is that blacks are a minority in Cuba. It shouldnít take them half a century to have enough blacks in their top government position.

I have to say that I donít know if the people vote for their representatives or if Cubaís top head choose that too. I have a hunch its the second one, but Iím not sure.
In Cuba, people who would be considered black in the US might be considered white there. I think that is the case in other Latin American countries, too.
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Old 06-01-2019, 07:41 PM
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In Cuba, people who would be considered black in the US might be considered white there. I think that is the case in other Latin American countries, too.
Generally no one will confuse a real black with anything other than black, because they are black and that’s how the slaves looked like arriving from west Africa.

Mixed folks, while there is some variations, usually those that look overwhelmingly white will be considered white, those that look mostly mixed will be seen as mixed, and those that look overwhelmingly black will be considered black. There are people that will consider someone that looks overwhelmingly white as mixed and overwhelmingly black as mixed too. In one family you can have all three based on looks alone. Also, in Latin America its just a descriptor while in the USA there is an identity attached to it.

I use the Latin American version simply because its closer to reality than the traditional American version. Plus, places where in the USA Latinos have much influence are changing how people see themselves. But everyone is free to use the definition they feel like.

Most Spanish Americans use the Latin American versions. We are also talking about Latin American countries. It doesn’t make sense to see them as black when they live in a society that simply doesn’t see a black when they see that person or anyone that looks like them.

With that said, most African Americans would be considered black regardless where they go in Latin America. For the most part, its the mixed American folks that find themselves in weird situations in Latin America. Usually they consider themselves black and they find themselves in a society that doesn’t see a black when they see him/her.

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Old 06-03-2019, 07:33 AM
 
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Generally no one will confuse a real black with anything other than black, because they are black and thatís how the slaves looked like arriving from west Africa.

Mixed folks, while there is some variations, usually those that look overwhelmingly white will be considered white, those that look mostly mixed will be seen as mixed, and those that look overwhelmingly black will be considered black. There are people that will consider someone that looks overwhelmingly white as mixed and overwhelmingly black as mixed too. In one family you can have all three based on looks alone. Also, in Latin America its just a descriptor while in the USA there is an identity attached to it.

I use the Latin American version simply because its closer to reality than the traditional American version. Plus, places where in the USA Latinos have much influence are changing how people see themselves. But everyone is free to use the definition they feel like.

Most Spanish Americans use the Latin American versions. We are also talking about Latin American countries. It doesnít make sense to see them as black when they live in a society that simply doesnít see a black when they see that person or anyone that looks like them.

With that said, most African Americans would be considered black regardless where they go in Latin America. For the most part, its the mixed American folks that find themselves in weird situations in Latin America. Usually they consider themselves black and they find themselves in a society that doesnít see a black when they see him/her.
Proof that mixed race Americans find themselves in weird situations in Latin America? Youíre just projecting

For starters people in Latin America are not that race obsessed and certainly not enough to get into racial identity politics with strangers.

People babbling on all kinds of nonsense is an American be extension an US Latino thing.

Btw, you do have light skinned Africans and mixed race Africans as Caucasians such as Arabs went deep into Africa long before Europeans go into slavery business. People of African descent are not entirely West African, many of us have ancestors from Central, Southern, or East Africa.
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