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Old 06-08-2019, 03:03 PM
 
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If this woman is telling the truth, Cuba is not a racism-free society.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...-cuban-lawyer/
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Old 06-14-2019, 08:55 AM
 
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If this woman is telling the truth, Cuba is not a racism-free society.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...-cuban-lawyer/
Nowhere is. Especially not in the Americas. It was founded on racism.
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Old 06-14-2019, 09:03 AM
 
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Rosalina Challenge Colombia...you don't even get this level of soukous fever anywhere. Whether there was an attempt at systematic erasure it had the least affect in what's today known as Colombia.







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Old 06-14-2019, 08:15 PM
 
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Proof that mixed race Americans find themselves in weird situations in Latin America? Youíre just projecting

For starters people in Latin America are not that race obsessed and certainly not enough to get into racial identity politics with strangers.

People babbling on all kinds of nonsense is an American be extension an US Latino thing.

Btw, you do have light skinned Africans and mixed race Africans as Caucasians such as Arabs went deep into Africa long before Europeans go into slavery business. People of African descent are not entirely West African, many of us have ancestors from Central, Southern, or East Africa.
In the Americas you are primarily of West African and South Central African(Congo) descent.East African is rare to non-existent ,Southern African is extremely rare.
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Old 06-15-2019, 06:47 AM
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In the Americas you are primarily of West African and South Central African(Congo) descent.East African is rare to non-existent ,Southern African is extremely rare.
I think most people that studied the American slave trade for many years know that. In fact, most know that most of the African slaves came from the Gulf of Benin (Nigeria, Ghana, Coast of Ivory, etc). Into Brazil they also imported many from Angola. Most also know that most Africans were imported mainly in the 1700’s. The vast majority of Africans were also very dark, which is why they were called blacks (because they were blacks, there is no way around that. Had they been other colors it would show in the language referring to those imported from Africa.)

You can actually separate Hispanics from the rest of the population because most Hispanics (whether they have a small amount or a significant amount) have from the Mandinga and Brong tribes, which live in modern Senegal and Mali. The Spanish imported them in the 1500’s. Also, most Hispanic American peoples have two pulses of African migration (1500 and 1700) which is missing in most people of African descent in former English and French colonies.

You can actually see this in peoples DNA. The old African heritage that is in most Hispanics is very broken up because it had more time to recombine. You will notice the origins from the Gulf of Benin as a much longer piece in Hispanics and non-Hispanics that can trace at least some of their ancestry to Africa.

Reality is that in Spanish, English, and French colonies there is very few origins from eastern and southern Africa. Almost all the slaves were from west Africa and the Gulf of Benin is the origin of most and arrived in the 1700’s.

Native American blood is also present in most Hispanics whether they are from the continent or the Caribbean islands. You hardly see that in former English or French colonies.

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Old 06-16-2019, 02:44 PM
 
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I think most people that studied the American slave trade for many years know that. In fact, most know that most of the African slaves came from the Gulf of Benin (Nigeria, Ghana, Coast of Ivory, etc). Into Brazil they also imported many from Angola. Most also know that most Africans were imported mainly in the 1700ís. The vast majority of Africans were also very dark, which is why they were called blacks (because they were blacks, there is no way around that. Had they been other colors it would show in the language referring to those imported from Africa.)

You can actually separate Hispanics from the rest of the population because most Hispanics (whether they have a small amount or a significant amount) have from the Mandinga and Brong tribes, which live in modern Senegal and Mali. The Spanish imported them in the 1500ís. Also, most Hispanic American peoples have two pulses of African migration (1500 and 1700) which is missing in most people of African descent in former English and French colonies.

You can actually see this in peoples DNA. The old African heritage that is in most Hispanics is very broken up because it had more time to recombine. You will notice the origins from the Gulf of Benin as a much longer piece in Hispanics and non-Hispanics that can trace at least some of their ancestry to Africa.

Reality is that in Spanish, English, and French colonies there is very few origins from eastern and southern Africa. Almost all the slaves were from west Africa and the Gulf of Benin is the origin of most and arrived in the 1700ís.

Native American blood is also present in most Hispanics whether they are from the continent or the Caribbean islands. You hardly see that in former English or French colonies.
No. People from those countries in Africa today are not all very. Skin colonies always varied among Africans.

Genetic testing among African Americans often shows DNA from other regions of Africa d this could have happened for a variety of reasons.
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Old 06-16-2019, 06:59 PM
 
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I think most people that studied the American slave trade for many years know that. In fact, most know that most of the African slaves came from the Gulf of Benin (Nigeria, Ghana, Coast of Ivory, etc). Into Brazil they also imported many from Angola. Most also know that most Africans were imported mainly in the 1700ís. The vast majority of Africans were also very dark, which is why they were called blacks (because they were blacks, there is no way around that. Had they been other colors it would show in the language referring to those imported from Africa.)

You can actually separate Hispanics from the rest of the population because most Hispanics (whether they have a small amount or a significant amount) have from the Mandinga and Brong tribes, which live in modern Senegal and Mali. The Spanish imported them in the 1500ís. Also, most Hispanic American peoples have two pulses of African migration (1500 and 1700) which is missing in most people of African descent in former English and French colonies.

You can actually see this in peoples DNA. The old African heritage that is in most Hispanics is very broken up because it had more time to recombine. You will notice the origins from the Gulf of Benin as a much longer piece in Hispanics and non-Hispanics that can trace at least some of their ancestry to Africa.

Reality is that in Spanish, English, and French colonies there is very few origins from eastern and southern Africa. Almost all the slaves were from west Africa and the Gulf of Benin is the origin of most and arrived in the 1700ís.

Native American blood is also present in most Hispanics whether they are from the continent or the Caribbean islands. You hardly see that in former English or French colonies.
Yea actually some Latinos have Jewish and MENA ancestry too.

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No. People from those countries in Africa today are not all very. Skin colonies always varied among Africans.

Genetic testing among African Americans often shows DNA from other regions of Africa d this could have happened for a variety of reasons.
I bet those are very minute cases , I don't think he even mentioned anything about the skin color, we are talking about ancestry.
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Old 06-16-2019, 08:19 PM
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Yea actually some Latinos have Jewish and MENA ancestry too.
Yeup, both those migrations arrived with the Spaniards. There were more “pure” Jews than MENA, because the latter always arrived to Latin America already mixed into many Spaniards.

The exception is from the Middle East which arrived at the end of the 1800’s onward and some countries in the 20th century. These were mostly Christians from Lebanon, but I hear in some countries like Chile they also received many Palestinians too. You can tell who has Middle Eastern DNA and who has North African that arrived mixed with many Spaniards.

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I bet those are very minute cases , I don't think he even mentioned anything about the skin color, we are talking about ancestry.
The vast majority, to not say all, the Africans brought from Africa were very dark. There is a variety to refer to the origin, but skin became lighter in this hemisphere. Racial mixing explains the colors that is often applied to mulattoes in the New World. Like I said previously, there is a reason they were considered black from the very beginning instead of some other color.

Some Americans, usually of some or full African ancestry, also claim they are insulted to be called negro in Latin America. That’s despite that the word isn’t negative at all (even people that have no African heritage use the term as endearment to each other.) For the word to have a negative meaning it needs an explicitly word next to it and usually the insult lies in the other word more than negro itself. You can explain this until you are blue and some people will insist that negro is insulting. SMH

Sone folks should learn to leave the English language (and more often is USA specific more than the language) when they are dealing with other languages or culture.

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Old 06-16-2019, 08:50 PM
 
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Yeup, both those migrations arrived with the Spaniards. There were more “pure” Jews than MENA, because the latter always arrived to Latin America already mixed into many Spaniards.

The exception is from the Middle East which arrived at the end of the 1800’s onward and some countries in the 20th century. These were mostly Christians from Lebanon, but I hear in some countries like Chile they also received many Palestinians too. You can tell who has Middle Eastern DNA and who has North African that arrived mixed with many Spaniards.
I think the most people from the Middle East would be in countries like Argentina. But the MENA in Latin Americans might of very will came after Decree of Alhambra, alot of conversos and went into Spanish territories.


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The vast majority, to not say all, the Africans brought from Africa were very dark. There is a variety to refer to the origin, but skin became lighter in this hemisphere. Racial mixing explains the colors that is often applied to mulattoes in the New World. Like I said previously, there is a reason they were considered black from the very beginning instead of some other color.

Yea of course dark skin is the norm but there are some Africans that have natural light skin like the same skin tone as Paula Abdul ,Debarge or Prince, untinged and unadmixed like you said but not the norm .

Africans shipped to the Americas were basically taken to many places that were of the same latitude as their homeland both in South America and the Caribbean. Did many people of African slaves and people of African descne become lighter? yea ! But that doesn't mean they didn't have light skinned ones. The term ''redbone'' was a name for igbos since many of them came in the light shade,that name carried on in the diasporas from the Caribbean to the Americas.

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Some Americans, usually of some or full African ancestry, also claim they are insulted to be called negro in Latin America. That’s despite that the word isn’t negative at all (even people that have no African heritage use the term as endearment to each other.) For the word to have a negative meaning it needs an explicitly word next to it and usually the insult lies in the other word more than negro itself. You can explain this until you are blue and some people will insist that negro is insulting. SMH

Sone folks should learn to leave the English language (and more often is USA specific more than the language) when they are dealing with other languages or culture.
I usually hear the term moreno(a) for someone that is black by Latinos.

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Old 06-17-2019, 03:05 AM
 
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Yeup, both those migrations arrived with the Spaniards. There were more ďpureĒ Jews than MENA, because the latter always arrived to Latin America already mixed into many Spaniards.

The exception is from the Middle East which arrived at the end of the 1800ís onward and some countries in the 20th century. These were mostly Christians from Lebanon, but I hear in some countries like Chile they also received many Palestinians too. You can tell who has Middle Eastern DNA and who has North African that arrived mixed with many Spaniards.


The vast majority, to not say all, the Africans brought from Africa were very dark. There is a variety to refer to the origin, but skin became lighter in this hemisphere. Racial mixing explains the colors that is often applied to mulattoes in the New World. Like I said previously, there is a reason they were considered black from the very beginning instead of some other color.

Some Americans, usually of some or full African ancestry, also claim they are insulted to be called negro in Latin America. Thatís despite that the word isnít negative at all (even people that have no African heritage use the term as endearment to each other.) For the word to have a negative meaning it needs an explicitly word next to it and usually the insult lies in the other word more than negro itself. You can explain this until you are blue and some people will insist that negro is insulting. SMH

Sone folks should learn to leave the English language (and more often is USA specific more than the language) when they are dealing with other languages or culture.
Proof that some Black Americans have said they were insulted to be called negro in Latin America?

Youíre making stuff up.

For that matter, you have no primary source that indicates the exact skin color of Africans you were brought over. The words used in racial language are not meant to be exact. White People are not really white, they look pink or beige to me.

For the record Latin Americans donít babble on about crap like this, though you do have confused US Latinos who do.
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