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Old 07-01-2019, 09:11 PM
 
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So a white guy tries to lecture a Black person on what Black People look like. You read Wikipedia and are now the all knowing expert.

Chinese and Indian traders may have left children behind with African women. Chinese labors who come to modern Africa are gathering children with African women.
You display your lack of knowledge on subjects constantly . Do you really think IF that hundreds(even thousands) of Chinese or Indians left behind in East Africa is going to impact the population, do the math,can you comprehend that gets bred out just like Aborigines in Australia or Native Amerindian blood in places like Argentina or Chile being swamped by hordes Europeans coming there.

I don't need you to lecture me about Chinese and Indian traders on the Swahili Coast or anywhere in East Africa. I know the history and what happened unlike yourself, so I will enlighten you.

The Chinese and Indian traders weren't foolish enough to stay behind, in fact they hardly went there ,most of the products of China and India were transported to Africa second hand from Persians and Arabs in Zanzibar.

How about you name me the Indian and Chinese groups that were left behind in Africa ? Ill be waiting.
The Indians and Chinese didn't start coming there until the 1800s and they stayed relatively isolated and endogamous up until they were excommunicated out of some countries like Uganda. This is just an example of how little you know about African history or history outside of America in general.

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As for Ethiopians, their official language is an Semitic language like Hebrew and Arabic. So is Somali. They are part Middle Eastern.
Wrong. First of all Somali is a Cu$hitic language not Semitic.Second not all Ethiopians speak Semitic languages. Harari, Oromos,Saho,and Omotic groups speak Afro-Asiatic languages in Ethiopia.
Do you understand that Afro-Asiatic languages are the diversified to its fullest extent in Africa and basically all variations of Afro-Asiatic are spoken in the Horn and North Eastern Africa?

You do understand that many linguist have posited the origin of Semitic languages are in the Horn as well as the Middle East?

And yes Horners are generally their own stock they're not really mixed like you think,many Horners will tell you this.Thats why when the mix with other non-Horner people their genes are recessively expressed


For a historian you really get the simplest things incorrect and you got the nerve to talk about who is reading from wikipedia.

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What part of Western Africa did the Africans were from and taken to the Spanish, English, and French colonies in the Americas?

Anyone dares to show many pictures where the people of these places congregate in large numbers? Yes, I know these are modern people compared to those taken in the 1500’s to the Spanish colonies and mostly in the 1700’s to the Spanish, English, and French colonies.

Thanks
Also you have to understand that many pictures and portraits from this time period are not going to exactly depict the skin color of these people to its proper hue or skin tone.

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Old 07-08-2019, 07:54 AM
 
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Sorry for the High-Jack !
Horn people from Djibouti, Éthiopie or Somalia are Black in the sense of Negroid ! Different from the stereotype of western Africa but still Black. There are White people un Iceland, and they are suite différent from those like Greeks or Georgians or Arméniens. Think about it people !
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Old 07-09-2019, 10:34 AM
 
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Sorry for the High-Jack !
Horn people from Djibouti, Éthiopie or Somalia are Black in the sense of Negroid ! Different from the stereotype of western Africa but still Black. There are White people un Iceland, and they are suite différent from those like Greeks or Georgians or Arméniens. Think about it people !
Exactly. Only mixed people in North East Africa are Northern Sudanese (alberit not really Horners) and have a way different look than Horners, I because my great parents where ones.
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Old 07-09-2019, 02:01 PM
 
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What part of Western Africa did the Africans were from and taken to the Spanish, English, and French colonies in the Americas?

Anyone dares to show many pictures where the people of these places congregate in large numbers? Yes, I know these are modern people compared to those taken in the 1500’s to the Spanish colonies and mostly in the 1700’s to the Spanish, English, and French colonies.

Thanks

There were seven principal areas in Western Africa used by Europeans to buy and ship slaves to the Americas:

- Upper Guinea (Senegal to Sierra Leone)
- Windward Coast (Liberia and Ivory Coast)
- Gold Coast (Ghana)
- Slave Coast (Togo, Benin and western Nigeria)
- Bight of Biafra (eastern Nigeria and Cameroon)
- West Central Africa (Angola and Congo)
- Southeastern Africa (Mozambique and Madagascar)


French, Spanish and English took slaves from all these regions with some preferences, therefore some settlements received more slaves from certain specific areas.
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Old 08-01-2019, 01:51 PM
 
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There has been a lot of revisionist history in that the Latin colonies of the Americas were somehow more benevolent when it was the revolutionary movements from the end of the 18th to early-mid 19th century that seemed to have been influenced & supported by local coloured abolitionists (French revolutionaries actually wanted to reinstate slavery despite what some revisionists say) as well as sects like Vadaou.

Its still unclear if their were any direct connections between the sects of Brazil & Haiti, or if the Cuban Santerias (unlike the papists from across the pond, didn't seem to catch much flack from the Fidelistas) began their ethno-genesis during that time period.

Afrocentrics tend to leave out of their lectures on identity, the fact that there are really no Anglo-sphere equivalents, those being the most assimilated, the Geeche & Gullah (no longer in existence) sub-culture prime examples, while P.R.(think their version of Santeria grew out of Cubanos like Piri's pops) & Haiti, more or less being accommodating, I guess that just leaves islenos Cubanos & Brazil (along with the indios bozales movemiento [not the ladino & hispanidad globalist plantation identity propagandists], of Andes & Amazon prime targets for the globalist plantation identity police).

ONE massah, ONE globe, ONE holy & hallow plantation.

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Old 08-06-2019, 09:20 AM
 
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There has been a lot of revisionist history in that the Latin colonies of the Americas were somehow more benevolent when it was the revolutionary movements from the end of the 18th to early-mid 19th century that seemed to have been influenced & supported by local coloured abolitionists (French revolutionaries actually wanted to reinstate slavery despite what some revisionists say) as well as sects like Vadaou.

Its still unclear if their were any direct connections between the sects of Brazil & Haiti, or if the Cuban Santerias (unlike the papists from across the pond, didn't seem to catch much flack from the Fidelistas) began their ethno-genesis during that time period.

Afrocentrics tend to leave out of their lectures on identity, the fact that there are really no Anglo-sphere equivalents, those being the most assimilated, the Geeche & Gullah (no longer in existence) sub-culture prime examples, while P.R.(think their version of Santeria grew out of Cubanos like Piri's pops) & Haiti, more or less being accommodating, I guess that just leaves islenos Cubanos & Brazil (along with the indios bozales movemiento [not the ladino & hispanidad globalist plantation identity propagandists], of Andes & Amazon prime targets for the globalist plantation identity police).

ONE massah, ONE globe, ONE holy & hallow plantation.
Trinidad has Shango and Jamaica has obeah. Yes there are African based religions in the Anglo Caribbean. Nice try but no cigar. Come again.
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Old 08-20-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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Anyways, another interesting historical tidbit is that the abolitionist cooperative movement such as Nashadoh was started up in Haiti after its collapse in the states, though I am not aware if it amounted to anything.
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Old 09-07-2019, 01:31 PM
 
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One should not forget the waves of immigration from across the north Atlantic pond that happened at the end of the 19th through the mid 20th centuries (part of the policy to "improve the race").

The national socialists (both paleo & neo) were/are very much a reality there as well as fascist tendencies.

I know many will hate acknowledging this on these here forums, but the Fidelistas (of course before the collapse of the revolutionary socialist international) not only alleviated conditions for the swarthy semi-proletariat of South America but also with socialist Angola & Congo (not Zaire) gave settler southern Africa & their regional allies a run for their money (admittedly the Fidelistas didn't fare as well in the Horn fiascos).

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Old 09-13-2019, 04:28 PM
 
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Time to deal with another elephant in the room.

Lets face it Puerto Rico is a tropical South Bronx, to put it lightly.

Even before that from the time of the conquistador capitalist cartels to the Cold War it was a military base for a crusade against the rise of a commie inspired/revolutionary socialist indio bozales moviemento.

The ghetto ricans, coconuts, ladino lackeys & hispanidad hysterics are rabidly rampant.

BUT

There is also those that don't identify so much with Puerto Rico but the Boricua cultural movement.

The Boricua cultural movement seeks to help the up & coming generations not claim to be the pure blooded & authentic descendants of the Tainos or even claim the Tainos were virginal noble savages, but understand how the globalist plantation system that was created in the 15th century has had a devastating impact on the island pre-conquistador inhabitants & habitats.

Can't get mad at people not wanting to identify with those that literally sold their ancestors to greedy & genocidal criminals, but the Boricua cultural movement does recognize the labor those that came to island put into the culture, such as bomba & plena not to mention the Santeria syncretic Socialist Syndicates associated with the movement.

Its also about inter-nationality since art forms like salsa were influenced by jazz & afro-cuban musical styles.

Make no mistake about it, there is a culture war going on.

I have seen & heard those hailing the moreno Maghribi moor Esteban as a "role model" because he collaborated with the conquistador. There are examples like the Ahouri wa Asfari Andalusi Arabigo Leo Africanus who only collaborated on diplomatic & educational matters while in captivity but seemed to have disappeared into the Maghribi mist when the opportunity presented itself.

Then there's the issue of companies (guess who funded the conquistadors) & the normalization & rationalization of aboriginal women & rape culture by descendants of the conquistadors & those that ape, assimilate & imitate them.

"Its not rape, its just improving the race, progress".

"You know what the chicas must do to get ahead in the world".

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As you point out in the documentary, it’s not just Disney who gets her story wrong. This goes back to John Smith who marketed their relationship as a love story. What class and cultural factors have allowed that myth to persist?

That story that Pocahontas was head over heels in love with John Smith has lasted for many generations. He mentioned it himself in the Colonial period as you say. Then it died, but was born again after the revolution in the early 1800s when we were really looking for nationalist stories. Ever since then it's lived in one form or another, right up to the Disney movie and even today.

I think the reason it's been so popular—not among Native Americans, but among people of the dominant culture—is that it's very flattering to us. The idea is that this is a ‘good Indian.’ She admires the white man, admires Christianity, admires the culture, wants to have peace with these people, is willing to live with these people rather than her own people, marry him rather than one of her own. That whole idea makes people in white American culture feel good about our history. That we were not doing anything wrong to the Indians but really were helping them and the ‘good’ ones appreciated it.
Smithsonian: The True Story of Pocahontas

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Old 09-13-2019, 07:38 PM
 
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Then there's the issue of companies (guess who funded the conquistadors) & the normalization & rationalization of aboriginal women & rape culture by descendants of the conquistadors & those that ape, assimilate & imitate them. **********

Smithsonian: The True Story of Pocahontas
I don't understand. I know you're trying to say something. Spit it out so I can respond.
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