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Old 08-02-2019, 02:24 PM
 
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Depends on where you are, Colombia is a very large country. What is true for certain neighbourhood, city, or are, could be completely different for another area or city. You can wear chains in many places.

The same applies for the whole of Latin America.
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Old 08-02-2019, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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Depends on where you are, Colombia is a very large country. What is true for certain neighbourhood, city, or are, could be completely different for another area or city. You can wear chains in many places.

The same applies for the whole of Latin America.
You wanna increase your chances of getting mugged, go for it.
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Old 08-03-2019, 12:13 AM
 
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I don't. The guy is a mafioso, he wears expensive jewlery. In South America thieves recognize this jewlery from a mile away.
So.... He was a prominent target?

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The fact that you walk around flashing "chains" in Colombia makes me doubt this very much.
lol. I can post videos/pictures if need be...
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Old 08-03-2019, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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So.... He was a prominent target?
Because of the jewlery he was wearing.
You need to understand that people born and raised there behave a certain way - eg. not wearing expensive jewlery on the street - for good reason.
In the U.S. nobody will look twice if you're wearing a $300 chain. But in Colombia $300 represents a month's salary for some people.
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Old 08-03-2019, 01:47 PM
 
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You wanna increase your chances of getting mugged, go for it.

I don't wear chains but I do many other things that you probably won't consider safe to do where you live (rightly or unrightly so) like walking home for 1 or 2 kms at 3 am, taking cabs in the streets all the time, taking my smartphone out whenever I want to, etc etc, things that are completely safe in this placse where I've lived for three decades.
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Old 08-03-2019, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Pereira, Colombia
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Iīll just speak on the two Latin American countries where Iīve lived...Letīs just call Puerto Rico a country, shall we? I know Boricuas do.

The most threatened Iīve felt in Colombia is the maybe 5 or so times Iīve been approached by a "deportado"...I donīt know how deported people comport themselves in other countries, I know for sure that México and various Central American countries must be full of them. There is one guy in particular in Pereira who first came up to a co-worker of mine and wanted to be his best friend and ask him a million questions but then turned on him real fast..he started saying that heīd been watching him selling weed on his turf and demanded a bunch of money or the Cordillera gang was going to find him and kill him. My friend isnīt the most quick-witted or street-saavy person there is, but eventually he got out of there before anything bad happened. This was in broad daylight in a pretty well-off neighborhood. About 3 weeks later the same guy came up to me, but I shut it down real fast, before he could even really get into the fake friendly stage. I switched to really, really loud Spanish so everyone at the bus stop would know what was going on. He stormed off before anything else could happen.

Since that incident I donīt even take any chances. Any overly friendly guy who just comes up to me out of the blue with that ghetto East Coast Hispanic English is going to get a "No hablo con deportados, marica" from me and I move on. It almost came to blows from one of them who freaked out and felt disrespected, but thatīs just my policy. Donīt get me wrong, Iīve met scores of wonderful, hard-working Colombians who told me in the middle of a Spanish-language conversation that they had lived in the US-- thatīs all good and well. There is this another phenomenon though, itīs impossible to ignore. This article spoke on it, though the author seems to have some sort of affinity towards these dudes...I donīt at all.

https://expat-chronicles.com/2012/02...-from-america/

Puerto Rico is a very different case. Itīs easily the most comfortable place in Latin America for a gringo to move to, and especially on my last visit with my wife and with my much-improved Spanish, the reception couldnīt have been better. I donīt remember hearing much of anything about armed robberies there. Iīm not saying they donīt happen, but youīd see drunk young people on the streets on their phones and no one would tell them to put it away like in Colombia. My car was broken into a couple times there though, that was an issue. Since I donīt have a car in Colombia, itīs hard to compare the situations.

The issue on the island is the overflow of guns and easy access to them. PR has very strict gun laws, but their territorial status means that guns are easily smuggled through the mail from the Mainland. Itīs no joke, the gangsters on the island are packing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47gxjk6U5CQ&t=892s

The island is very densely populated, so housing projects (caserios) can be just steps away from beach resorts. Isla Verde is in fact a very touristy area with posh hotels, casinos, etc. all in a strip. When I saw this video it sent chills down my spine, because Iīve driven many times down this highway to get to the airport, and have stayed in hotels both on the beach side (the side where the people are filming) and the other side of the road as well:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgfnh6K6OpU&t=318s

The government often puts all of its infrastructure together to try to improve the security situation in a caserio...for example instead of just building housing projects and cutting them off from everything else (thus making a dangerous "island" of crime), often in that same project theyīd put a school, a clinic, govt offices, etc. all kind of in the same complex. The idea is with more contact with the outside world and more people coming and going at all hours, the state will have to attend to the downtrodden, and the downtrodden will have to behave. This CAN work, I remember it did in Mayaguez, but apparently some of these in San Juan have gotten so bad that poor innocent kids are caught in the middle:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukpzUtkP4PU

My advice for someone looking to move to PR? Get out of the Metro Area!

As for Colombia? Get an apartment with 24 hr security if youīre in even the smallest of cities, and just donīt move to Cali, period. Itīs not going to get any better. Bogotá has security issues, but it has too much to offer for me to tell you to not move there.

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Old 08-03-2019, 08:26 PM
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I recently read an article about how people in Medellin are annoyed with all the sex tourist and netflix narcos fans. The Mayor himself said these types of tourist are not welcome. Sadly there is a lot of Americans promoting these types of things on youtube. I recently watched a rather distasteful video from a black american guy comparing women in Colombia and Brazil and focusing his camera on womens behinds on the streets of Medellin. You know are ****ing loser back home if you have to fly far away to get laid.

I love Colombian music and culture, but it is these things and types of tourist that have kept me away from the place. My wife has recently made freinds with a family that are originally from Valle del Cauca. They keep telling us if we go down we can stay with their family, which would be great. They are super nice peeps.
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Old 08-03-2019, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Pereira, Colombia
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I love Colombian music and culture, but it is these things and types of tourist that have kept me away from the place. My wife has recently made freinds with a family that are originally from Valle del Cauca. They keep telling us if we go down we can stay with their family, which would be great. They are super nice peeps.
You all are welcome in the Eje Cafetero as well

Having a local or an "adopted local" like me show you the country is the way to go... youīd have a great time. The types of tourists you mentioned can be easily avoided and made fun of at a distance when youīre with people who know their stuff

There are definitely touristy places that need to be seen, and you will see some unsavory travelers... but along the way, locals will ultimately show you plenty of other spots that the Narcos tools and sexpats will never know about.

Come on down.
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Old 08-03-2019, 09:24 PM
 
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I love Colombian music and culture, but it is these things and types of tourist that have kept me away from the place. My wife has recently made freinds with a family that are originally from Valle del Cauca. They keep telling us if we go down we can stay with their family, which would be great. They are super nice peeps.
Take them up on that offer. That's your best ticket. I encourage you to go down there and visit. You'll be fine, you're cautious enough, you're respectful and appreciative enough of the culture, and you'll be with people who'll show you around.
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Old 08-05-2019, 10:42 AM
 
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Here is an example of something that is virtually unheard of in the United States and Western Europe. But it is not uncommon in Colombia. An employee of a government prosecutor's office had to go into hiding with his family after receiving death threats. In Colombia the government and police have very little power or capability of protecting even its own employees in those type of situations. The only thing they can do is abandon their homes and leave.

From a news clip on NoticiasCaracol.

https://streamable.com/bg2jb
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