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Old 02-20-2019, 12:03 PM
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The archbishop of New Orleans even ex-communicated the Perez family because "Judge" was acting like such a jackass, it didnt seem to have much effect on how he ran his fiefdom--not just St. Bernard but large parts of Plaquemines as well, check out the map and youll see that the mouth of the Mississippi River is there..pretty important in spite of the low population.
This guy has a hard on for Iberians and is always talking crap.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:03 PM
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He's not a Hispanic or a Latino he's a descendant of Spaniards directly from the Canaries that never set foot in Latin America.


Why would they want to claim Perez? You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder get a life.
Anyone that is a Spaniard, descends from Spaniards (even if partially), or has Spanish as their mother tongue is and can claim to be Hispanic. In fact, the word Hispanic derives from the Roman Hispania, which is the Latin name for Spain. If a Spaniard isnt Hispanic, then no one is. lol

Now, Latino is used exclusively for Hispanic Americans, regardless if they are born in the US or immigrated from a Spanish American country. Having Spanish as a mother tongue is also important, but quite a few people that can hardly speak Spanish also claim to be Latino due to their ancestry. Reality is that non-Spanish-speaking Latinos are in a gray zone that leads them to be considered Latino by some and not by others.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:08 PM
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Anyone that is a Spaniard, descends from Spaniards (even if partially), or has Spanish as their mother tongue is and can claim to be Hispanic. In fact, the word Hispanic derives from the Roman Hispania, which is the Latin name for Spain. If a Spaniard isn’t Hispanic, then no one is. lol

Now, Latino is used exclusively for Hispanic Americans, regardless if they are born in the US or immigrated from a Spanish American country. Having Spanish as a mother tongue is also important, but quite a few people that can hardly speak Spanish also claim to be Latino due to their ancestry. Reality is that non-Spanish-speaking Latinos are in a gray zone that leads them to be considered Latino by some and not by others.
Hispanic in the USA is generally understood as a descendant of someone from a Spanish speaking Latin American country. Basically it's understood to be a culture with a Spaniard base but that has mulatto or Mestizo elements. No longer just Spaniard.


I know what the word derives from but it is generally reserved for those from the Colonies of Spain. You rarely find a Spaniard embracing that word in the USA.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:13 PM
 
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Linda Chaves is a descendant of colonial Spaniards from Extremadura and Andalusia as well as New Christians(forcibly converted Sephardic Jews) and she also carries some Amerindian ancestry.
Linda Chavez' DNA test was 100% European.

And today she is considered a "hispanic" minority. There's no reason that Perez would not be. Like Chavez, Perez is of colonial Spanish descent in the United States. That's as "hispanic" as she is.

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You're generalizing what Hispanic is and you don't know enough about the fine details.
It's a vauge term, but Leander Perez fits every definition that they've ever come up with.

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Islenos aren't the same as Spanish descendants from New Mexico the cultures are not similar.
No hispanics have similar culture. Mexicans don't have similar culture to Puerto Ricans.


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You have a lot of nerve arbitrarily applying USA census labels to specific groups.
"Hispanic" began as an arbitrary label. There's never been a concrete definition, but it has always included Spanish descendants from the United States. "Hispanic" was once defined as any Person with a Spanish surname.

There's no reason that Leander Perez shouldn't be considered "hispanic", and he was a notable person in American history. During the civil rights era, he was actually well known nation wide. My family (Texans) remembers him.

He should be mentioned in Hispanic history. Why are they leaving him out?
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:15 PM
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Hispanic in the USA is generally understood as a descendant of someone from a Spanish speaking Latin American country. Basically it's understood to be a culture with a Spaniard base but that has mulatto or Mestizo elements. No longer just Spaniard.


I know what the word derives from but it is generally reserved for those from the Colonies of Spain. You rarely find a Spaniard embracing that word in the USA.
To a certain point I get what you are saying, but glancing the definition that is used in the US Census is clear that Spaniards are included, as it should be.


https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:22 PM
 
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Hispanic in the USA is generally understood as a descendant of someone from a Spanish speaking Latin American country. Basically it's understood to be a culture with a Spaniard base but that has mulatto or Mestizo elements. No longer just Spaniard.
Since the "hispanic" term was coined in the 1970s, it has ALWAYS included Spanish descendents from the United States who were not of Latin-American origin. I already mentioned Tejanos and New Mexicans. There is absolutely no reason that the Spanish descendants from Louisiana would not be "hispanic".

And "hispanic" classification has nothing to do with "mestizo" or "mulatto" origin. A "hispanic" person need not have any mixed race origins. A 'hispanic' is defined by Spanish origin, or origin in a country were Spanish is the national language.

Perez was definitely a hispanic.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Pereira, Colombia
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This guy has a hard on for Iberians and is always talking crap.
What..? Im from south louisiana not far from the person in question (Orleans Parish borders St. Bernard).

"The Catholic Church excommunicated him. His money and power, however— derived from the development of Plaquemines’ resources—made him an important powerbroker in the state. Governor Huey P. Long once expressed his desire to cut Plaquemines off from the state and let it drift into the Gulf. Perez’s response was, I wish you could. He ruled the parish for 50 years. "

Says it right here: http://www.antigravitymagazine.com/2...emines-parish/
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:46 PM
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What..? Im from south louisiana not far from the person in question (Orleans Parish borders St. Bernard).

I meant Tritone.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:49 PM
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To a certain point I get what you are saying, but glancing the definition that is used in the US Census is clear that Spaniards are included, as it should be.


https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF
No offense but those definitions are usually written but some white guy who doesn't know what they're talking about they've even at times tried to include Portuguese people because of the so called Roman Hispania argument.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Pereira, Colombia
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I heard that some of the original inhabitants of San Antonio were also Isleo. Im not sure if they still speak Spanish, or better yet if they speak Spanish with that accent, anymore.
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