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Old 02-22-2019, 03:26 PM
 
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By the logo of the club and the flag you can see Dominicans and Puerto ricans were prominent members.
and that was in 1890 !!
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:26 PM
 
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The 1970 united states census controversially broadened the definition to "a person of mexican, puerto rican, cuban, south or central american, or other spanish culture or origin, regardless of race".
It was also an explicitly white term.

What made the 1970s "hispanic" category really different/controversial was that it was a minority label. Before then, people of Spanish origin had always been white (especially in the South West), they were not minorities.
 
Old 02-22-2019, 03:29 PM
 
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Before the 1965 immigration a good portion of hispanics that lived in the states were pretty white. At least, white enough that they very likely would have assimilated into the white American thing if it wasn't for more immigrants coming.

It was mostly Spaniards and North Mexicans, maybe some Cubans by then?
 
Old 02-22-2019, 03:29 PM
 
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Hispanic-american printed music collections in 1892 jajajajja
but hey, the word Hispanic is not a thing, that was created by some gringo in Iowa!!
we never called ourselves that !

jajajajaj
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:32 PM
 
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hispanic-american fashion magazine from 1890


hispanic was invented by gringos !!!!!
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:53 PM
 
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By the logo of the club and the flag you can see Dominicans and Puerto ricans were prominent members.and that was in 1890 !!
You ask anybody in Latin America if they consider themselves "Latino" they will tell you Yes. You ask them do they refer to themselves as "Latinos" they'll do that in any kind of dialogue or conversation involving international placement, but in everyday life they're not going to refer to themselves as that any more than Americans refer to themselves as "North Americans" in every day conversation. People identify themselves with country or family heritage, first and foremost. So, Americans refer to themselves as Americans. Mexicans refer to themselves as Mexicans. And so forth.
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Before then, people of Spanish origin had always been white (especially in the South West)
No. A very large portion of Hispanics in the American southwest are mixed with Indians and are dark skinned and darked haired.
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Before the 1965 immigration a good portion of hispanics that lived in the states were pretty white.
Nope. 450 years of co-habitation with native populations, a lot of intermingling occurred.
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At least, white enough that they very likely would have assimilated into the white American thing if it wasn't for more immigrants coming.
Not at all. If looks didn't discriminate, language and culture certainly set them apart from Caucasian/Anglo Americans. Difficult assimilation. Even to this day, there is a racial dividing line in NM between "white", "hispanic/chicano", and "Indian" populations in New Mexico (the place I was born and raised.) Hispanics/Chicanos/Mexicans do not consider themselves "white."
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I dont see how Latino is a racist term,
It's not a racist term. It's a geographic term.
 
Old 02-22-2019, 04:03 PM
 
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No. A very large portion of Hispanics in the American southwest are mixed with Indians and are dark skinned and darked haired.
And they were considered "white" nontheless. Mexicans used to scream that they were white! They weren't "latinos" back then.

In Texas and the South West, people of Spanish origin were not a minority group. There was no such thing as a "hispanic" minority group until the 70s/80s. That's when that whole concept started.
 
Old 02-22-2019, 05:00 PM
 
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Nope. 450 years of co-habitation with native populations, a lot of intermingling occurred.
Most of the "hispanics" were North Mexican or Spanish, they were a lot whiter than the mestizos that come here now. North Mexico was always the whiter part of Mexico
Not at all. If looks didn't discriminate, language and culture certainly set them apart from Caucasian/Anglo Americans. Difficult assimilation.
And same with the Italians.
Even to this day, there is a racial dividing line in NM between "white", "hispanic/chicano",
The New Mexicans I have always known generally consider themselves Spanish, even if they are part Pueblo, it is only the people descended from more recent immigrants that have a problemand "Indian" populations in New Mexico (the place I was born and raised.) Hispanics/Chicanos/Mexicans do not consider themselves "white."
I live in South Texas and know many that do. So speak for yourself.

It's not a racist term. It's a geographic term.
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