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Old 02-20-2019, 12:08 PM
 
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Is Pope Francis Hispanic? How about Don Francisco?

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https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...w.xhtml?src=CF


https://www.census.gov/topics/popula...gin/about.html
 
Old 02-20-2019, 12:43 PM
 
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Is Pope Francis Hispanic? How about Don Francisco?
The term "hispanic" has never had a concrete definition since it was introduced in the 70s. It was actually made deliberately ambiguous for the purpose of achieving larger statistical numbers.

People can generally invent that anyone is "hispanic"/"latino" because the term is so vauge. Recently, they were trying to say Mitt Romney was a "Latino" because his father's white American family lived in Mexico for 15 years - and they were serious about that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EOPeqOHlsk

Univision was trying to convince Charlie Sheen that he was a "Latino" because one of his grandfathers was from Spain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jae9sa9Oe7w

It's a meaningless designation.

That being said, there's no reason that Judge Leander Perez should not be considered "hispanic"/"latino". He fits every definition they have ever come up with.
 
Old 02-20-2019, 01:57 PM
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The term "hispanic" has never had a concrete definition since it was introduced in the 70s. It was actually made deliberately ambiguous for the purpose of achieving larger statistical numbers.

People can generally invent that anyone is "hispanic"/"latino" because the term is so vauge. Recently, they were trying to say Mitt Romney was a "Latino" because his father's white American family lived in Mexico for 15 years - and they were serious about that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EOPeqOHlsk

Univision was trying to convince Charlie Sheen that he was a "Latino" because one of his grandfathers was from Spain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jae9sa9Oe7w

It's a meaningless designation.

That being said, there's no reason that Judge Leander Perez should not be considered "hispanic"/"latino". He fits every definition they have ever come up with.
That is pretty much it but it is designed to benefit some specific groups while including other's in just to bolster the numbers.
 
Old 02-20-2019, 02:51 PM
 
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My own concept of it (take it or leave it, yall) is that Latinos are from Latin America...so that includes Brazilians, Jamaicans, Haitians, etc.

Hispanics are from Spanish-speaking countries...so much of Latin America, Spain, Equatorial Guinea..of course many Hispanics live in the US...like it or not, it´s our second language now.
 
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The Spanish-American War took place in the 1890’s and it was between the United States and Spain. The bottom line of the war was that Cuba was a province of Spain, but the US wanted the island for itself. Many Cubans also wanted to break ties with Spain. The US blew up its own The Maine military boat in Havana Bay, but blamed the Spanish to justify starting the war against Spain.

Anyway, in Spanish this war has always been known as La Guerra Hispano-Americana which translates exactly to its English equivalent “Spanish-American War” or it could be translated as “Hispanic-American War,” because it’s the same thing.

The 1970’s was still a good 80 years away, plus or minus. Its very hard for Americans to invent a word that the Spaniards themselves have been using for centuries.
 
Old 02-20-2019, 04:06 PM
 
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The 1970’s was still a good 80 years away, plus or minus.
No, the term "hispanic" used as an ethnic label, like it is today, was coined in the 1970s. Before then it was a rare English word that meant things related to Spain.

There was no such thing as a "hispanic" minority group in the United States before then. Nobody before the 1980s would have known what a "hispanic" or a "latino" was. Nobody was ever called "hispanic", and nobody ever identified as "hispanic". Texans never heard of a "hispanic" before the 80s. Even in the early 90s, "hispanic" was still very new and a lot of older people had never heard of it and didn't understand what it meant.
 
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I personally like this diagram because it makes it visually easy to understand the differences between Hispanic and Latino.

This also requires knowing what countries are represented by each flag. To keep it easy, keep in mind that the yellow and orange flag on the right belongs to Spain. All the flags in the middle are Spanish-speaking countries in Latin America, except for the yellow and green flag at the bottom that corresponds to the only Spanish-speaking country in Africa, aka Equatorial Guinea. All those countries and their peoples plus Spain are Hispanic.

The flags on the left column are countries or territories in the Americas with a Latin-based language. Hence, they too are Latino along with every other Spanish-speaking country minus Spain.



The source of the diagram:

 
Old 02-20-2019, 04:09 PM
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The Spanish-American War took place in the 1890’s and it was between the United States and Spain. The bottom line of the war was that Cuba was a province of Spain, but the US wanted the island for itself. Many Cubans also wanted to break ties with Spain. The US blew up its own The Maine military boat in Havana Bay, but blamed the Spanish to justify starting the war against Spain.

Anyway, in Spanish this war has always been known as La Guerra Hispano-Americana which translates exactly to its English equivalent “Spanish-American War” or it could be translated as “Hispanic-American War,” because it’s the same thing.

The 1970’s was still a good 80 years away, plus or minus. Its very hard for Americans to invent a word that the Spaniards themselves have been using for centuries.
What you say makes sense but still why the hell do they keep inserting people from my ethnic group in there. If you Latino's and "Hispanics" want to be all Hispanics that's fine but to be honest I'm mad as hell about this definition being so damn inclusive . Personally if I were a Mexican or a Dominican or whatever that's how I would identify not as a Hispanic.
 
Old 02-20-2019, 04:11 PM
 
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So, are Pope Francis and Don Francisco Latinos?
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