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Old 03-02-2019, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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Now that´s the REAL mystery..how did it get to the Americas? How did it come to mean what people think it means? Good question.

I´d venture to say that when Mexico was still a Spanish colony perhaps the term came over and then it evolved.
I wonder today what the term "gringo" means to Spaniards in Spain? Surely it hasn't kept the same reference to "Irish" people? or maybe it has.


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i dont have to ask anyone, am here, i was born here and raised in latam
If that's the case, then you have some sort of agenda for denying the facts. Either that or you're in some weird part of Latin America where the term is used differently than elsewhere. Which country are you in?
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Old 03-03-2019, 08:08 PM
 
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What colonies had spain left to fight for in 20th century?

On the other hand, Spain is damn ready to fight and whine to the EU to gather support in the hopes to keep catalonia, the basque country and whomever will want to secede. Just look at the news.



Portugal produces cars. What you're trying to say is that there's a spanish brand name (who isn't really spanish anymore since they've been acquired by Volkswagen) Seat, that is of poor quality and sells pretty much nowhere, except in spain, in great part thanks to the government. Romania has a car manufacturer, too. Switzerland doesn't. What you forgot to include is that spain has about 16% unemployment, one of the worst in the EU. How come?
Spain had Western Sahara, parts of Morocco, and Equatorial Guinea.

Unemployment figures in Spain are never honest, and if you go around the country you'll see why. A person could be collecting unemployment and picking olives, otherwise working on the farm, or working on construction off the books.

Of course the person you're relying to said some very wrong things about the Iberian Peninsula. Portugal is very inviting to foreigners, because they rely on foreign direct investment and tourism.

https://www.bbva.com/en/2019-a-year-...rld-and-spain/

So for Spain's economy, the growth is higher than the EU average, though clearly the unemployment figures have go down.

I mean Spain vs Portugal is silly, each nation has it's strong points and weakness. Portugal having less people helps, because the same amount of money coming in will have much greater impact in turning the nation around. In order for Spain to have the same effect, they would need much more money.

Portugal doesn't have language minorities trying to become independent. The Basques are quiet these days.

Catalonia no. But Catalonia will not get international support. There are Catalans in France and Italy (Sardinia) and noway will the EU, the US, and NATO tolerate the breakup of three member states. Oh, both Spain and France have Basques, and Germany, Britain, France, Italy, Austria, Romania, etc all have minority groups that could claim they want independence. To avoid setting a bad precedent Catalan independence will not be allowed.

Oh, the US supports Madrid too, as they have military bases here in Spain.
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Old 03-09-2019, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Romania has a car manufacturer, too. Switzerland doesn't.
Romania's car company is Dacia, which was acquired by Renault. Similar to VW acquiring SEAT (Spain) and Skoda (Czech Republic).
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Old 04-05-2019, 01:08 PM
 
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snapshoot never answered my question.
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Old 04-05-2019, 01:42 PM
 
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Catalonia no. But Catalonia will not get international support. There are Catalans in France and Italy (Sardinia) and noway will the EU, the US, and NATO tolerate the breakup of three member states. Oh, both Spain and France have Basques, and Germany, Britain, France, Italy, Austria, Romania, etc all have minority groups that could claim they want independence. To avoid setting a bad precedent Catalan independence will not be allowed.
Speaking of Catalans in France - did you hear that Manuel Valls, once the Prime Minister of France, and Catalan by birth, is running for mayor of Barcelona?
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Old 04-05-2019, 02:07 PM
 
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silverkris: off topic, has nothing to do with history of the terms hispanic and latino
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Old 04-06-2019, 06:22 AM
 
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Speaking of Catalans in France - did you hear that Manuel Valls, once the Prime Minister of France, and Catalan by birth, is running for mayor of Barcelona?
I did not know. Interesting.
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Old 04-06-2019, 09:29 AM
 
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Though Spanish is a minority language.

Minority doesn't have to have racial implications. Louisiana has a French speaking minority (of various races) for example.

You have a lot of language minorities in Europe (Welsh, Gaelic, Catalan, Occitan, Basque, Galician, Sardinian, Frisian, Maltese, Breton, etc).
This!

I personally don't see an issue with 'Hispanic' being used to designate a linguistic minority group in the 70's - it is what it is and they were a linguistic and to a large degree cultural minority group in the US.

That the ignorant US, Mexican, Cuban & Puerto Rican majority collectively morphed it into a racial connotation born out of their own identity/racial issues is a separate fact, a pseudo-reality where all have a certain amount of blame. - A monolithic frame of thought which is only just beginning to be picked apart and dismantled.
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:58 AM
 
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To me, Hispanic is not a linguistic thing. It's and ethnic and cultural thing to refer to people in the New World who are descended from Spaniards (and usually with a lot of indigenous mixed in). There are a lot of Hispanics in the U.S. who don't speak Spanish, but they are "Hispanic" through and through - behaviors, culture, and genetics.
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Old 04-08-2019, 01:36 PM
 
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To me, Hispanic is not a linguistic thing. It's and ethnic and cultural thing to refer to people in the New World who are descended from Spaniards (and usually with a lot of indigenous mixed in). There are a lot of Hispanics in the U.S. who don't speak Spanish, but they are "Hispanic" through and through - behaviors, culture, and genetics.
This is the problem. People from Southern South America are VERY WHITE. People from the Spanish Caribbean are mostly African. Other countries like Colombia and Venezuela have lots of people with all three races.

White/Native mixture definitely does not equal Latin America, as you've many other groups in Latin America and in large numbers. Asians, Jews, Muslims, South Asians. all live in Latin America.

Essentially at one point people who could not be considered white, but did not what to be called Black and or Native were the ones pushing the Hispanic label.

Never mind these countries have major ethnic and cultural differences. Puerto Rico is very different from Mexico, for example.
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