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Old 03-28-2019, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Canada
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LMAO! Maduro is still there.......How are you guys doing>?
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Old 03-28-2019, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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We'll see where things are at 4-6 months from now.
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Old 03-29-2019, 02:50 AM
 
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We'll see where things are at 4-6 months from now.

We'll see what exactly? A ravaged nation standing proud but ruined? A nation brought to the point of starvation as Stalingrad endured during WW2? The aim to bring about the collapse of the government by the Americans, has been shown to have been a dismal failure.
Time to ease up the sanctions, or at least allow other countries to do so without threat of economic sanction. Allow that country to sort its political problems out itself.
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Old 03-29-2019, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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What I mean is, we'll see whether Maduro is still in power. It's not just the "Americans" who are trying to remove Maduro. The most important group of people who don't want to see him in power anymore are the Venezuelans themselves.
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Old 03-29-2019, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Pereira, Colombia
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We'll see what exactly? A ravaged nation standing proud but ruined? A nation brought to the point of starvation as Stalingrad endured during WW2? The aim to bring about the collapse of the government by the Americans, has been shown to have been a dismal failure.
Time to ease up the sanctions, or at least allow other countries to do so without threat of economic sanction. Allow that country to sort its political problems out itself.
Love the Stalingrad analogies...hyperbolic much?

Seriously though, what would the lifting the sanctions do? Give me a hypothetical.
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Old 03-30-2019, 11:50 AM
 
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We'll see what exactly? A ravaged nation standing proud but ruined? A nation brought to the point of starvation as Stalingrad endured during WW2? The aim to bring about the collapse of the government by the Americans, has been shown to have been a dismal failure.
Time to ease up the sanctions, or at least allow other countries to do so without threat of economic sanction. Allow that country to sort its political problems out itself.

are you a Maduro shill or just completely clueless?


Venezuela has been ruined for years. The country has been collapsing long ago and it's not only food or electricity shortages, it's the widespread corruption, very high amounts of violence and criminality, it's the criminalization of the opposition, journalists, civilians, the murders and tortures against them. It's the lack of democracy, the complete inefficiency of the government to address things such as infraestructure and industry production. 5 or 10 years ago Venezuela was producing millions of oil barrels, but most of the revenues were stolen or "lost". Monetary poverty rate in Venezuela affects over 27% of the population since 2007. No decrease ever since, but instead an exponencial growth in poverty, unemployment, maternal and infant mortality, etc etc since the past 3 or 4 years.



The sanctions were given to Maduro only a few months ago and, btw, it's not only the US, it's Mercosur, the OAS, the Inter American Comission of Human Rights (which has Venezuela as the only country in their blacklist., The European Parliament, etc etc. Everyone thinks Maduro and his cronies are criminals and murderers, not only the "evil imperialist" US government. And these sanctions are aimed to affect the government, not the people of Venezuela. Neither the European Union nor the Human Rights Organizations would take measures that'd go against the civilians, and they won't.
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Old 03-30-2019, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Pereira, Colombia
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are you a Maduro shill or just completely clueless?


Venezuela has been ruined for years. The country has been collapsing long ago and it's not only food or electricity shortages, it's the widespread corruption, very high amounts of violence and criminality, it's the criminalization of the opposition, journalists, civilians, the murders and tortures against them. It's the lack of democracy, the complete inefficiency of the government to address things such as infraestructure and industry production. 5 or 10 years ago Venezuela was producing millions of oil barrels, but most of the revenues were stolen or "lost". Monetary poverty rate in Venezuela affects over 27% of the population since 2007. No decrease ever since, but instead an exponencial growth in poverty, unemployment, maternal and infant mortality, etc etc since the past 3 or 4 years.



The sanctions were given to Maduro only a few months ago and, btw, it's not only the US, it's Mercosur, the OAS, the Inter American Comission of Human Rights (which has Venezuela as the only country in their blacklist., The European Parliament, etc etc. Everyone thinks Maduro and his cronies are criminals and murderers, not only the "evil imperialist" US government. And these sanctions are aimed to affect the government, not the people of Venezuela. Neither the European Union nor the Human Rights Organizations would take measures that'd go against the civilians, and they won't.
And all of this is clearly backed up with facts via journalism, not Fox News and other right wing sources either.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qdO2pFoGgw&t=1390s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1gUR8wM5vA

The sanctions represent a small sliver of the reason why Venezuela is a completely failed state.
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Old 04-01-2019, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Somewhere flat in Mississippi
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If the United States ditches Guaido, accepts Maduro as Venezuela’s leader, and ends the sanctions, will it end the suffering of the Venezuelans?
https://www.theamericanconservative....ela-sanctions/
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Old 04-01-2019, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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Although sanctions don't help matters, the core problem is Maduro.
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Old 04-01-2019, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Paradise CA, that place on fire
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With all respect, I can't understand the patience of the Venezuelan population.

In any European country Maduro would be dead by now.
The Romanian dictator Ceausescu had half a day before they hanged him.
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