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Old 05-03-2019, 03:03 AM
 
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The dogmatic attitudes of the Left is the main cause of the rise of the alt-right. As someone who strongly campaigns for sustainable social policies, the Left in almost every country (Yes even most recently Denmark) has lost me.

The troubador and Urban Luis remind me of the scarf twins in this video minute 4:05 - 5:30

So its somehow 'dogmatic' calling to account American interference and destabilisation of yet another South American nation?
No the rise of the alt right is due to the failure of the mainstream right. As for the left, probably moving too far to the right as in the case of UK previously as an example. America could not be said to have a left in reality.
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Old 05-03-2019, 07:04 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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So its somehow 'dogmatic' calling to account American interference and destabilisation of yet another South American nation?
You can call it out but its not the principal issue.

Here's a thought, Venezuela's government destabilised itself over nearly two decades with very little US-American intervention. What's happening now is a not-new humanitarian and authoritarian crisis, the extreme culmination of poor financial and resource management over that period which has progressively become worse but has been bad for a while now. Also what about Chinese and Cuban intervention? Why is the fact that China and Russia now own much of Venezuela's resources over the next couple of decades not an issue for you? Is it because its not the USA so it doesn't count?

Dogmatic to a T.
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Old 05-03-2019, 07:48 AM
 
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hopefully it would be finally erradicated from Latin America after this mess in Venezuela and no one will ever vote for them again.
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:01 AM
 
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I think its a sad situation but I don't believe in any kind of intervention. And despite what some people tell you on here, Maduro still has a lot of support.

Also I think it is hypocritical that everyone is crying over Venezuela but say **** all about whats happening in Haiti and Honduras right now. Typical Latin American racism, classism and hypocrisy.
Haiti nowadays is much more stable country than 10 years ago and yes Latin Americans countries cared about them. They had a Brazilian military intervention (Brazil representing ONU forces) and lots of actions of economic help.

Honduras is not remotely close the bad situation of Venezuela and Haiti.
Honduras doesn’t have thousands of secret inteligence military cubans threatening high patent Venezuelan military families who think in desert, in Honduras they don’t have russians military soldiers in its airports… is more like a polarizaed politic situation without externel interference.
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:10 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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the left is s·$%·


hopefully it would be finally erradicated from Latin America after this mess in Venezuela and no one will ever vote for them again.
Not likely because the Right in Latin America also has a habit of being ruthless.
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Canada
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However, there is no parallel yet over what is happening in Venezuela to what has happened in Honduras. The Zelaya coup was non-violent, Honduras' violence comes from Drug Cartels and not the State (although no doubt there are dirty politicians implicit),
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Not true at all. There is state violence in Honduras.
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:21 AM
 
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the left is s·$%·
Considering the right has controlled the vast majority of Latin America for much much longer, What does that make the right? If we examine countries that have leftist governments, it is always because they had **** right wing governments. One extreme breeds another.



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hopefully it would be finally erradicated from Latin America after this mess in Venezuela and no one will ever vote for them again.
Yes, because the left in the rest of Latin America only exists because of Venezuela. It didn't exist before chavez and will die after Maduro.
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Haiti nowadays is much more stable country than 10 years ago and yes Latin Americans countries cared about them. They had a Brazilian military intervention (Brazil representing ONU forces) and lots of actions of economic help.

Honduras is not remotely close the bad situation of Venezuela and Haiti.
Honduras doesn’t have thousands of secret inteligence military cubans threatening high patent Venezuelan military families who think in desert, in Honduras they don’t have russians military soldiers in its airports… is more like a polarizaed politic situation without externel interference.
No Honduras just has drug cartles gangs and paramilitaries that are in cahoots with the government.
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Canada
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The dogmatic attitudes of the Left is the main cause of the rise of the alt-right. As someone who strongly campaigns for sustainable social policies, the Left in almost every country (Yes even most recently Denmark) has lost me.

The troubador and Urban Luis remind me of the scarf twins in this video minute 4:05 - 5:30

This might be true in North America, not in Latin America.

Dogmatic right wingers like pueblofuerte often support or turn a blind eye to right wing violence like this.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll-9...ctr=1556895253
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Not likely because the Right in Latin America also has a habit of being ruthless.
If we are being honest, the right has been waaaaay more ruthless. Shall we start listing names???
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