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Old 02-26-2019, 11:54 AM
 
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As the days progress, Maduro is going to do more and more things that will alienate him from more and more people, isolate him more, and push things more in the direction of him being overthrown. This is how dictators like him behave. It's predictable. Case in point: he just detained journalist Jorge Ramos. That's going to upset a lot of people, for starters.
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Old 02-26-2019, 03:30 PM
 
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A coup might happen if the army turns against Maduro but unless the US attacked Venezuela directly, I don't see Chavistas surrendering at all. Venezuelan anti-Chavista elements don't have the man power to start a civil war, even with the US backing them it would be difficult. The US would have to attack them directly.

Would the US public support backing or being involved directly in open conflict with Venezuela? Would Colombians be ok with US troops or contra revolutionaries coming into their country and launching attacks on Venezuela from their soil? That could have serious repercussions for Colombia.
I see the threat of a USA invasion as working in the favour of Maduro. Regardless it would divide America. I would think few, if any Latino countries, could be seen to be backing anything resembling an invasion, regardless if their own Right wing tendencies, their populations would not stomach a Foreign American invasion.


Even the desire on the part of the Trump administration, to attempt to place the blame entirely on a socialist, inspired increasingly authoritarian government, most will point towards American sanctions and game playing, resulting in more dislike of America, south of the border.
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Old 02-26-2019, 03:39 PM
 
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As the days progress, Maduro is going to do more and more things that will alienate him from more and more people, isolate him more, and push things more in the direction of him being overthrown. This is how dictators like him behave. It's predictable. Case in point: he just detained journalist Jorge Ramos. That's going to upset a lot of people, for starters.

Well not necessary. Under threat of foreign invasion from a far more powerful nation, will likely galvanise the people towards ever greater support from foreign invasion.


There's a reason the present government got into power, all those years ago. That being of course, the total disregard of the majority of the people.


No country is supporting any form of invasion and obviously all neighbouring nations, want the matter resolved, as finding it hard to cope with the flow of asylum seekers. In danger of exceeding the Syrian number.


I take it Trump is to delay construction of his famous 'wall' , to assist refuge, to at least a few million of those fleeing, that he assisted in creating?. Surely the burden, will not be shouldered alone, by poor economy Latino countries?
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Old 02-26-2019, 10:22 PM
 
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No support anywhere, it would appear, for Trump's, ill thought out 'all options on the table' speech. Even right Wing, Latino countries not about to allow their territory to be used (very wisely) for an American invasion . It wouldn't go down well with general public. America has made such a mess of previous interventions in the past. This is of course no 'easy to roll' Panama. definitely not Grenada.
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Old 02-27-2019, 08:31 AM
 
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Hopefully no invasion is even necessary. Hopefully the momentum of things already in place, and the fear of U.S. involvement, will be enough.
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Old 02-27-2019, 03:37 PM
 
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Hopefully no invasion is even necessary. Hopefully the momentum of things already in place, and the fear of U.S. involvement, will be enough.
Hopefully the Americans will step back from being the architect of ever more chaos. Lifting sanctions would be a start, withdrawal of recognition of the so termed 'uncharismatic' power grabber, allowing talks to get under way to reach a solution.


Threats from outside usually result in bringing a nation together in defence of the Homeland.
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Old 02-27-2019, 05:08 PM
 
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Right Wing , so termed leader in exile, Guido off to Brazil to speak with like wise ideologue , before regional summit in Colombia shortly. One can only assume what Guido's visit is hoping to achieve. One thing for certain, it is not reconciliation talks with the Venezuelan government. He has turned down attempts at mediation by The Vatican and others, reckoning of course, that he is in with a real chance of becoming leader.
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Old 02-27-2019, 05:30 PM
 
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Hopefully the Americans will step back from being the architect of ever more chaos. Lifting sanctions would be a start, withdrawal of recognition of the so termed 'uncharismatic' power grabber, allowing talks to get under way to reach a solution.


Threats from outside usually result in bringing a nation together in defence of the Homeland.
Not in this case it wouldn't. In this particular case it would result in a clear division. A lot of people in Venezuela would welcome an outsider who is able to restore stability and economics to their country. I'm not saying that's what the U.S. should do (they shouldn't), just saying that there would be a lot of people who would welcome it.
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Old 02-27-2019, 05:46 PM
 
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Not in this case it wouldn't. In this particular case it would result in a clear division. A lot of people in Venezuela would welcome an outsider who is able to restore stability and economics to their country. I'm not saying that's what the U.S. should do (they shouldn't), just saying that there would be a lot of people who would welcome it.

Most ordinary folk, everywhere want stability. Venezuelans are no different. USA is in no position to restore stability. Why mention that? This may have been the natural progression of things, if Guido, had agreed to allow the brokage of talks arranged by Vatican or other outsiders.


As with a long history of interference, in the affairs of others, on the American continent , US wants regime change and nothing less. The interests of the people pale over ideological interest.
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:06 PM
 
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Not in this case it wouldn't. In this particular case it would result in a clear division. A lot of people in Venezuela would welcome an outsider who is able to restore stability and economics to their country. I'm not saying that's what the U.S. should do (they shouldn't), just saying that there would be a lot of people who would welcome it.

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