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Old 03-05-2019, 03:11 AM
 
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Russia hasn't had the power to for many years. China has both the money and the power but their mentality is different. They play a long game and they're not particularly aggressive militarily.

Doesn't take a lot of power to create mischief in that part of the world. America has been doing it for decades. There is the question of logistics, I agree, but never underestimate a foe.


Russian military not aggressive? I am at pains to think of a recent more aggressive military than Russia's.
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Old 03-05-2019, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Pereira, Colombia
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Guiadóīs last stop before getting to Caracas was Ecuador...yep, left wing Lenin Moreno-ruled Ecuador.

This only furthers my point that itīs not about the political spectrum anymore, itīs about saying no to authoritarian governments. Fuera Maduro, fuera Ortega
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Old 03-05-2019, 06:41 AM
 
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Russia hasn't had the power to for many years. China has both the money and the power but their mentality is different. They play a long game and they're not particularly aggressive militarily.
I don’t necessarily agree with this. Russia has been increasingly projecting itself as of late (Syria). China does approach things slightly differently, but they are stil a very mercantile power. It’s just that their current focus is in the South China Sea.
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Old 03-05-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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China is the one who could make big influence in Venezuela, but they won't. Russia wants to, but is powerless. Russia is very much a regional player, rather than the global player they used to be.
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This only furthers my point that itīs not about the political spectrum anymore, itīs about saying no to authoritarian governments.
Yep, those have got to go. We're living in a modern world now.
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Old 03-05-2019, 04:35 PM
 
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China is the one who could make big influence in Venezuela, but they won't. Russia wants to, but is powerless. Russia is very much a regional player, rather than the global player they used to be.

Yep, those have got to go. We're living in a modern world now.
Modern world? Democracy? South America? In a world of growing authoritarianism, it would be wrong, which obviously is, to expect South America, to be any different. Signs are it is getting worse.


As mentioned, Russia, has the potential to create get upheaval. It may well be restraining, to an extent, further or deeper American involvement than at present.
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Old 03-05-2019, 06:13 PM
 
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China is the one who could make big influence in Venezuela, but they won't. Russia wants to, but is powerless. Russia is very much a regional player, rather than the global player they used to be.

Yep, those have got to go. We're living in a modern world now.
There's limits to what the Chinese can do. In part they have no actual cultural, racial, or ethnic ties to Venezuelans................

Third world liberation is non existent really, and Venezuelans who can go to Europe or the US.

Whenever Maduro's regime falls, there won't be major ties between the next regime and China. For that matter though obviously they do trade and business with the Chinese, NO Latin American nation is that close to China. China is too foreign for them.

Even Cuba is not that close to Russia these days. Russians are East Europeans, while Cubans speak a Latin (Western European) language.
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Old 03-05-2019, 08:16 PM
 
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Guiadóīs last stop before getting to Caracas was Ecuador...yep, left wing Lenin Moreno-ruled Ecuador.

This only furthers my point that itīs not about the political spectrum anymore, itīs about saying no to authoritarian governments. Fuera Maduro, fuera Ortega

For starters' regardless of name, Moreno, though of a Left wing party, has moved considerably Right. Whether he can maintain such a stance, remains to be seen.


It not really about saying no, it is governments to the Right, making a predictable stance. Now if you say, Cuba or Bolivia, are turning their backs, then that would be something.
Ecuador has gone 'cool' on Venezuela since 2017.
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Old 03-05-2019, 08:19 PM
 
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There's limits to what the Chinese can do. In part they have no actual cultural, racial, or ethnic ties to Venezuelans................

Third world liberation is non existent really, and Venezuelans who can go to Europe or the US.

Whenever Maduro's regime falls, there won't be major ties between the next regime and China. For that matter though obviously they do trade and business with the Chinese, NO Latin American nation is that close to China. China is too foreign for them.

Even Cuba is not that close to Russia these days. Russians are East Europeans, while Cubans speak a Latin (Western European) language.
Economics make bedfellows, unlikely Russia/China will write off debt easily. May just as well say, Americans are hardly welcome South of the border.
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Old 03-06-2019, 05:27 AM
 
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There's limits to what the Chinese can do. In part they have no actual cultural, racial, or ethnic ties to Venezuelans................

Third world liberation is non existent really, and Venezuelans who can go to Europe or the US.

Whenever Maduro's regime falls, there won't be major ties between the next regime and China. For that matter though obviously they do trade and business with the Chinese, NO Latin American nation is that close to China. China is too foreign for them.

Even Cuba is not that close to Russia these days. Russians are East Europeans, while Cubans speak a Latin (Western European) language.
Venezuela easily has one of the highest number of ethnic Chinese in Latin America. Not sure how many are still there, but it was a thing not long ago. Brazil and Perú have more, but Venezuela has many, many all the same. No Japanese or Koreans, but mostly Cantonese-speaking Chinese.

China does NOT care who the president of Venezuela is, so long as the oil keeps coming to them and the debt is recognized. They can say they care about Maduro, but...come on....
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Old 03-06-2019, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Sunnyvale, CA
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Whenever Maduro's regime falls, there won't be major ties between the next regime and China.
Oh, I agree. China's only interest there is to provide some counterbalance to U.S. power, but China is not overly concerned about doing that even.

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For that matter though obviously they do trade and business with the Chinese, NO Latin American nation is that close to China. China is too foreign for them.
Culturally worlds apart, but the amount of business being done between south american and china, and the amount of property and business owned by Chinese, has been growing exponentially.
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